eku Zhong

God save me ... i am being called a scammer for refusing work....
although she claims she doesnt need custom work at the beginning.. ie she wants a free hand out... she then changed her tune and calls me a scammer.


[00:37] Jennifer Lisa: (Saved Mon Apr 02 07:34:04 2012)Hi i was wondering if i could have some help on a zbrush mesh av? :c
[00:38] eku Zhong: are you needing custom work?
[00:56] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): Hmm no just need help finishing my model my bf was helping me but we broke up
[00:56] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): sorry for the slow reply im playing a different game
[00:57] eku Zhong: please see Zbrush group rules about IM ppl for help
[00:57] eku Zhong: its on the main page
[00:58] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im not expecting to be taught
[00:59] eku Zhong: then sorry to be rude but what was the help needed? the rules are no IM ppl without first asking
[00:59] eku Zhong: i know it sounds pissy to you but some of us really hate getting tons of IM asking for help.. and very often from strangers
[00:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im trying to find someone to pay to finish the feet and face but you seem pretty mean
[01:00] eku Zhong: yeah i am.. but thats what keeps me sane
[01:01] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): maybe i should sit on you
[01:02] eku Zhong: whatever turns you on ..
[01:02] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): are you saying you'd let me
[01:03] eku Zhong: well if you have an ass large enough to reach japan .. knock yourself out
[01:03] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im talking about sl
[01:04] eku Zhong: i dont do pixelsex.. i am here to work
[01:14] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well i offered money for you to work on a 85% completed work
[01:14] eku Zhong: i work at 35USD an hour but atm am swamped .. no time for about a month
[01:15] Second Life: Inventory item offered
[01:17] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well seeing how i own the model and it requires 2 parts to be completed id need it to be sent by email
[01:18] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): jsut to clear that up
[01:19] eku Zhong: dropbox, email.. both work.. but like i said atm i am swamped at least for the next 2 weeks
[01:19] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): thats fine
[01:19] eku Zhong: you can ask also iin the group for custom work.. or look at ppls profiles to see if they do custom work
[01:20] eku Zhong: i prefer not to work on partially finished stuff as it requires complete retopo and re-mapping
[01:21] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well im not asking for a whole new model
[01:21] eku Zhong: yup thats what i am saying.. i prefer not to work with partial stuff.. as it actually requires almost complete retopology and remapping
[01:22] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well yes if you want to redo it on how you like it but i have 2 refs
[01:24] eku Zhong: i am trying politely to say i dont work on half done stuff.. its not a matter of do it how i like but the geography needs to match in the worked on parts which means several hours of work to retopologise and remap the model.. depending on the standard of the original work, youre looking at a few more hundred dollars
[01:24] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): hmm just for better shaped feet and a differet fance?
[01:24] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): different*
[01:24] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i smell scam ;x
[01:25] eku Zhong: i am saying no
[01:25] eku Zhong: not scamming you
[01:25] eku Zhong: and yes if the work is 35USD an hour .. 3 hours would be over 100USD
[01:26] eku Zhong: you should expect the same answer from other sculpters.. unless youre willing to pay low for bad work
[01:26] eku Zhong: most of my models average 800 to 1000USD
[01:26] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you do realize you'd take that long on purpose correct
[01:27] eku Zhong: listen i am going to post this converstation on a third party website .. non LL .. i will send you the link so that you can see what the rest of SL thinks about what youre saying
[01:29] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): Go ahead im allowed to take it into court matter in my state
[01:29] eku Zhong: go for it..
[01:29] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): that is if you post a convo that i never allowed
[01:30] eku Zhong: no you sent it to me
[01:30] eku Zhong: good luck getting me served in japan
[01:30] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): sent what?
[01:30] eku Zhong: and if i was in the US i could sue you for slander calling me a scammer
[01:30] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you do know my model isn't hard to finish for you
[01:30] eku Zhong: lol
[01:30] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): then prove to me you aren't one
[01:30] eku Zhong: i do know i wouldnt work for you if you paid me 100 and hour
[01:31] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): exactly my point
[01:31] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): scam
[01:31] eku Zhong: so how an i scamming you then
[01:31] eku Zhong: i make it a principle not to work for rude ppl btw
[01:32] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): ha rude?
[01:32] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you were the rude oen first
[01:32] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): so if you want to be treated well, treat others the same way
[01:32] eku Zhong: ok
[01:33] eku Zhong: how was your first post not like loaded with entitlement
[01:33] eku Zhong: no hi sorry to bother you but ...
[01:33] eku Zhong: no please
[01:33] eku Zhong: no nothing
[01:33] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): [00:58] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im not expecting to be taught
[00:59] eku Zhong: then sorry to be rude but what was the help needed? the rules are no IM ppl without first asking
[01:33] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i can be rude also
[01:33] eku Zhong: go for it
[01:34] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): why would i need please?
[01:34] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im not here to beg
[01:34] eku Zhong: ..
[01:34] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you even stated your self you are rude
[01:35] eku Zhong: yes well that a cultural thing.. to apologise before you reply to rude ppl
[01:36] eku Zhong: just to point out their original faux pas
[01:36] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): [00:59] eku Zhong: i know it sounds pissy to you but some of us really hate getting tons of IM asking for help.. and very often from strangers
[01:36] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): maybe you should disband the group if it isnt for help
[01:37] eku Zhong: i dont see you typing this in group
[01:37] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you should have known you would have gotten IMs
[01:37] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i did earlier
[01:37] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): no one was answering
[01:37] eku Zhong: and the group rules state no IM
[01:37] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well then don't make the group if you can't IM others through group
[01:37] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): simple
[01:37] eku Zhong: no
[01:38] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well im IMing you
[01:38] eku Zhong: simple thing to do would be to have your sense of entitlement amputated
[01:38] eku Zhong: your quality of life will improve
[01:39] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you can't handle getting IMed can you
[01:39] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): group rule doesn't apply to out of group rules
[01:40] eku Zhong: whatever
[01:40] eku Zhong: youre still not reaching your peak of rudeness yet
[01:40] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): well im treating you how you were treating me
[01:40] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): you dislike it?
[01:41] eku Zhong: nope
[01:41] eku Zhong: i am just waiting for you get better
[01:41] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): im not going to get better until i get another apology
[01:42] eku Zhong: well youll be waiting a long time
[01:42] eku Zhong: i shall sum things up.. no i do not want to work on your model.
[01:43] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): still no apology
[01:44] eku Zhong: dont check back .. because it wont happen
[01:44] eku Zhong: bye then
[01:45] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i think it will
[01:45] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): dont make a group for zbrush if it isnt for help

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eku Zhong

ps shes still typing..

Ame

What a rude bitch.....

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eku Zhong

[01:50] eku Zhong: entitlement .. we haz it.
[01:50] eku Zhong: there you go sweetie..
[01:51] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i never approved and since its an sl site i can still report it
[01:52] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): so take it down
[01:53] eku Zhong: its not a LL owned site .. youll have to ask the owner of the site.
[01:53] eku Zhong: and please report me .. see how far it gets you
[01:53] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): take it down
[01:55] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): PS take some english lessions seeing how i didn't want a free hand out i was willing to pay nothing over 50
[01:55] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i've contacted the site
[01:56] eku Zhong: no you didnt .. i asked if you wanted custom work and you said.. no you just wanted help
[01:56] eku Zhong: you only changed your tune when i told you that IMing ppl for help was against the rules of the group
[01:57] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): For all you know i seen you at a store
[01:57] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i guess it's against your rule to IM randomly when seeing someone near you huh
[01:57] eku Zhong: and unsoliceted spam is against LL TOS.. so you would like um .. be in violation then wouldnt you
[01:58] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): IMing you asking for help isnt spam hun
[01:58] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): Nor did i get your name from the zbrush group
[01:58] eku Zhong: depends sweetcheeks
[01:58] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i got it from 3d modleres
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): stating that there is no rule about IMing you
[01:59] eku Zhong: [00:37] Jennifer Lisa: (Saved Mon Apr 02 07:34:04 2012)Hi i was wondering if i could have some help on a zbrush mesh av? :c
[00:38] eku Zhong: are you needing custom work?
[00:56] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): Hmm no just need help finishing my model my bf was helping me but we broke up
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i use zbrush
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): 3d modeler is zbrush and 3d max
[01:59] eku Zhong: smells like asking for a handout .. seriously
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): read closer
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i stated nothing about your group
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): um no
[01:59] eku Zhong: do you want custom work .. answer no i need help
[01:59] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): i was willing to pay but not over 100 dollars for just a foot
[02:00] eku Zhong: hahahahahahahaha you wont get a toe of any quality for 100USD
[02:00] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): why would you need 100 dollars for feet?
[02:00] ミJξиi LiŠα彡 (jennifer.lisa): that doesnt even need a lot of detail
[02:00] eku Zhong: whatever
[02:01] eku Zhong: keep reading the SLU thread and see what other ppl say about your price needs

eku Zhong

you ask in the group

eku Zhong

Zbrush group rules..

Group for Zbrush users and lovers..
support and discussion.
Please do not come into group chat expecting to be taught everything. This group is for mutual support and for overcoming obstacles when using Z.
Please watch tutorials before coming in.
http://www.shiny-life.com/2008/02/12...with-zbrush-3/
NEVER ask .. hey i just got Z .. how do i use it.. and expect to be welcome.
DO NOT IM individual users and expect private lessons. Ask before IMing.
other than that.. welcome

pixieplumb

Oooh, I love entitled people. I'm really beginning to think that it could be a new form of social tourettes.
One morning recently I switched on my pooter, and as usual logged in to check my emails and saw that I had an inventory offer from an avi, followed about ten minutes later by an IM that of course had come to email as I hadn't been in world when it was sent. The IM said that I probably wouldn't see it,(apparently asking on my profile for communication by notecard is 'obnoxious') but that in any event I was being 'reported to LL for fraud' as she had a failed delivery. I went in world, checked the notecard - basically the same message - checked transactions, sent the shoes along with a note apologizing and explaining that sometimes deliveries fail, and that 10 minutes was rather a short time to wait for a reply after sending a notecard, particularly since my profile states that I live in the UK, and could reasonably be expected to be asleep at 3 in the morning.
So, you'd imagine that would be the end of the matter. But no. Later that day I got another IM, very cross indeed, arguing that my profile didn't give my rl location, that I had never intended to send any products at all until she 'threatened' me (yes, she did say that!) and that clearly my whole set up was a fraud to scam people. She then said that she would henceforth stand in my store and tell everyone not to shop there, because I'm a 'defrauder'. Curious to see if she really was going to do this, I asked my husband to pop into the store and check. Sure enough, there she was, and a few regular customers told me they had been sent notecards with our chatlogs copied and warnings to avoid the mean defrauder. Sadly, because it was the best laugh I'd had in a while, I decided to ban her.
Then she IMed to let me know that I couldn't ban her and she was going to report me again for that. Oops.

Casey Pelous

Damn you Eku! So fiendishly clever. I could never come up with such a subtle scheme.

1) Get unsolicited offer of work.
2) Refuse the job.
3) Quote a price the customer won't pay even if you did accept the work.
4) ????
5) PROFIT!

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Joshua Nightshade

I hated her from the moment I saw her name.

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Ame

She's so sneaky

eku Zhong

i spoke to another sculpter and they also agree that creating just the foot would take 2 or 3, 8 hour days..

thats a lot of work for 25USD.. because she wants the face too....

sigh

Johnnytreadlightly Nightfire

But there's starving kids in Zindra that would kill for that deal.

Ame

No she wants to sit on your face

bronxelf

*waves to Jennifer*

Because feet have more detail than you think. Have you SEEN how many UTTERLY HORRIBLE FEET exist on marketplace? Feet that look distorted, crushed, doing things that human feet *cannot* do? Out of proportion toes? Ugly toes? unrealistic toes? How about unrealistic shading because shade maps are terrible?

Feet and hands are FAR harder to model than say, breasts. Your ignorance is showing rather plainly here, and you're wrong about what you think 100USD (ETA: no, apparently only 50USD) will buy you.

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eku Zhong

50USD Bronxie

Errafel Eccleston

Someone will just sell her a foot from a sample library and she'll be just pleased as punch someone "didn't scam" her, and you'll never hear an end to how awesome the "work done" is!

Elysium Hynes

You should have sent her to the Blender god.

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Void

ah, nice to see this in something besides scripting for a change... =D

(my favorites are, "Hi I'm making this thing to sell, but I don't know how to script and will you do it for me for free? no not like I want it to do this too...")

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Lil Hapmouche

Why do you bother to keep messing with such folks instead of saying "So long, stranger", mute and move on to more interesting things in life?

Or even not say anything at all and wait till they get bored after a (short) while?

eku Zhong

because then i would be a snobby bitch with an inflated ego who thought she was too good to talk to ppl..

youre damnded if you do and damnded if you dont.

Randy Smadga

Eku, you're alot nicer than most people would be in the same situation....

Beezle Warburton

Oh, hey.

I have a Blender file with "Ruth."

I wonder if I just cut the foot off with a Boolean operation if she'd buy it . . .

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Elysium Hynes

You are the new blender god from now on Beezle, just change the face to a frog please, kthxbai.

Eunoli Rain

Own it. My SL became a lot happier when I stopped talking to people I didn't want to. Never rude, just "sorry, I'm not interested in that". Mute.

What do you care what someone like that thinks about you?