bronxelf

Im following SVC-4823.

That JIRA calls for LSL to respect the privacy status of a resident on a server level. Basically it seems like it would stop some of the privacy invading features some folks really like.

Im... stunned.

The Lab apparently just bit.

Status just changed by Kelly Linden, who assigned it to WorkingOnIt Linden.

!!!!!!!!!

Kelly Linden (Updated) (JIRA) no-reply@secondlife.com
2:53 PM (4 minutes ago)




to me

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moe

This is going to break shit >.<

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Trasee Darkwatch

Good. The stuff it breaks don't need it except to invade privacy. If you want to use an online status indicator inworld, don't hide your status, and you should be seen.

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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for "WorkingOnIt Linden". He's remarkably less productive than some of the others.

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bronxelf

Baby steps.

Jack Abraham

I got the impression from somewhere – and I don't recall where – that in this case WorkingOnIt may be a recognition of something already going on rather than a change in actual status.

moe

Means the new vendor system I am working on will fail if this crap is implemented, so it's starting to be damned if I do and damned if I dont.

Innula Zenovka

It's also -- I assume -- going to break automatic messaging systems that check if you're online before they try to deliver messages or items.

Rather unfortunate, to my mind, that legitimate uses like this will be broken because the devs for one particular viewer insisted on keeping a bit of Frac's code from Emerald.

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Inhandra

At least this is as good an indication as any of what the Lab does think about user privacy. If they were against the notion, that JIRA would have been left to rot or closed.

moe

This is my reason for not being happy, it's my only reason on this jira.

My system does a check to see if the person is online, If they are it get's delievered, if not it does not. but if they remove this feature or restrict it, then I might as well just move onto another project.

bronxelf

Im not a scripter, please forgive me.

Can you explain though why this breaks your vendor? It would seem to me, from a non scripter perspective, that if LSL respects the set online status of a person, then people will still get exactly what they want. If someone sets themselves invisible in whatever way, and your vendor shows them as being offline, how is this different from them... just being offline?

I don't understand how this breaks anything. Can you explain, please?

Adeon Writer

Only willingly. Staff status indicators not working? Set privacy to public and they will. Package not arriving because the script is waiting for you to be online? Go public, boom, it saw you and sent it.

Inhandra

Exactly. If the privacy controls become something more substantial, then privacy would be used when you want exactly that, not as a catch-all to be used constantly.

As far as staff indicators, the way around that would be to allow any self-owned object the ability to see your real status, and then the staffers just need to be the owner of the indicator. But, that would be more code than just making everything obey privacy settings overall.

Void

because there are different ways of doing things, and different results for some of them depending on if you are online or not, busy or not, etc....

most of the differences are about working around problems with LL's deliver of items and messages, and frequent failures with certain combinations. if LL fixed those it probably wouldn't be an issue.

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moe

Yeah I am just going to put the project on the back burner, I got other things to tinker with on drew as it is. Might as well get those done first.

Brenda Connolly

Yeah, including the balls of the SL busybodies.

Innula Zenovka

If your messages get capped, so, too, do inventory offers from scripted objects using llGiveInventory(). So if you want to use a vendor to send a gift to a friend, it's safest to do it when they're online or -- which I think moe wanted to do -- to have the vendor wait until the recipient is online before trying to deliver it.

This is how, for example, Zanara Zenovka's highly regarded PostMaster system works.

bronxelf

Right, I understand that part.

Oh. I see. The problem is in messages being capped.

I send all my offlines to email.

I've never understood why people *dont* do that, even with a throwaway account they only use for SL. I don't get the whole "oh I cap all the time!" thing you see in profiles.

Thanks. Got it now.

Adeon Writer

For good measure, they need to make group listing's status and last online respect it as well, because that's what the stalkers will revert to.

Qie Niangao

The big downside of this is that it will give folks the idea that they really can be online without other people knowing about it. That could be done, but it would be a larger effort than just changing how this LSL function works. At the very least, they'd have to change online history for group members... and I think it's a sure bet that such a change will cause an uproar from some of the same folks who don't care if some scripts break in hyper-cautious vending systems.

Speaking of those scripts, more people may be using them than realize. One of the workarounds for the llGiveInventory() throttle is to delay delivery until the recipient is online. Anything doing that will again fail miserably, and those managing big groups will again be up-in-arms.

pancake

Or for that matter why the group has to show last log in date at all.
I guess that is another topic though.

I just hate those "The group said you were online yesterday but I didn't see you" IMs.

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Trasee Darkwatch

I must not have been online the same time as you. Duh.

Void

oh good, they'll finally be on par with the people who won't place drama whores on ignore.

Ann Otoole

it will be opt in if they do it. people can choose to opt in (hide) and not receive stuff or opt out and receive stuff. i see no big deal here.