Darien Caldwell

Well, I'm not about to throw away years of good attachments simply because Invisiprims aren't supported anymore.

And I'm not about to let LL destroy hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars of purchases either.

The way it is now, is fine, the invisiprims just "are not there" and you can use an alpha layer instead.

But if LL ever makes them 'render black', they will have a hell of a fight on their hands.

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And any shadow that falls on the invisiprim's surface will be drawn on it, as well as itself casting a shadow darkening everything below it. (Or just occluding all the prims below it away. Or render black.

I hope eventually LL just hotswaps the uuid to point to TEXTURE_TRANSPARENT. At least that way, regardless of viewer or graphic settings, everyone will see the same thing.

Adeon Writer

You have it backwards. Black invisiprims are just one of the many different ways different viewers and settings see invisprims. Them "just not being there" is not something that currently happens for anyone. They always show themselves up one way or another.

Imnotgoing Sideways

That was the right hand not telling the left hand what it was doing. Those crappy AVs came out in the same month as alpha masks. That's not support. That's ignorance. (^_^)

And, in the end, they were made mod. The invisis can be removed and masks from my freebie box can be used in their place. =^-^=

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.... Or Sim City 3000. (._.)

... Or Black & White. (._.)

Adeon Writer

And for the record it wasn't LL that made them black. It's jus a side effect of how the exact same rendering anomaly like invisiprims gets handled on a newer rendering engine (deferred lighting)

Invisiprims work because they are liars, they say they are solid to the z-buffer but then claim they are invisible to the color buffer.

That's all fine and dandy until you get to deferred rendering, where lying to the z-buffer snowballs as the z-buffer gets used for... Pretty much all lighting processes.

Penny Patton

This I do not agree with. If the items are mod, the bad invisiprims can be removed. If the items are no-mod....well, this is why you don't buy no-mod items. If anyone, I'd hold the creator accountable, not LL.

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Eris

Why are they still there instead of being replaced with invisiprim free versions and the appropriate alpha masks? Do the right and left hands never talk to each other?

Inhandra

Have they EVER gone back and updated an old library outfit? I thought they just put them out there, and eventually depreciate/delete them as they make up new ones.

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Eris

Update, delete or replace makes no difference. If invisiprims aren't supported they shouldn't be in the Library.

Imnotgoing Sideways

Did you know that the LL client can set alpha to 100% now? I haven't checked, but, is *DefaultTransparentTexture still in the library? (^_^)

Anyway: continuing to be ignorant is not "support". (^_^)y

Andromeda Rage

I trashed all my old invisiprim-using no-mod shoes without a second thought. I was tired of most of that stuff anyway. Buh-bye.

Innula Zenovka

What's being able to set alpha to 100% got to do with anything?

The point about invisiprims being broken isn't that you now see them. It's that you can now see the avatar mesh they're supposed to hide, with the result that new users, who don't know about alpha textures and invisiprims, are likely to log in for the first time, look at their nice new avatar and think, "What on earth is wrong with my shoes?"

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Eris

Continuing to provide it kind of obligates you to support it.

Joshua Nightshade

Ha! You must be new to SL.

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Myf

That's not really true though. Provision of unsupported services is not exactly an uncommon practice.

Troy Vogel

Invisiprims? OMG am I having another LSD flashback???? Is it 2006? Say it isn't so....

If I counted the number of times I had to do and redo my items every time LL changed technologies, I would not be here. Sad for the OP but it's time to change your product and issue announcements offering past clients the ability to upgrade for a minimal amount etc.

Good luck. sorry I have been told the same thing every time I bitched about LL changing the technology. So you get the same. :-)

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Innula Zenovka

It's not a service, though, it's content.

I'm just trying to imagine a conversation between a new resident (who's taken out premium membership) and Live Help:

Imnotgoing Sideways

Masks replace invisiprims. 100% alpha replaces *Default Transparent Texture. What's in the library != "supported". (^_^)

And, the most recent library/default avatars use masks. New residents won't know what invisiprims are or do until some oldbie gives them flak for using avatar alpha. (^_^)y

Joshua Nightshade

Like was pointed out earlier, there's only a problem if shadows are enabled. 90% of SL residents are running hardware that can't use shadows anyway. Hell, I can't even use atmospheric shaders on my MacBook Air.

Innula Zenovka

Well, if they do what I did when I created an alt recently and happen to choose the wrong avatar and log in with their settings on ultra, they'll know something's wrong as soon as they look at their feet.

I'm not saying that what's in the library == "supported". I'm saying that if it's in the library and it's broken, fix it or replace it or remove it.

Cerise

That might not be the best example, as *Default Transparent really is an officially supported thing. It uses the constant TEXTURE_TRANSPARENT.

Penny Patton

Can anyone confirm whether or not LL is still providing avatars with invisiprims at the "choose your avatar" sign-up screen?

Eris

Yes, they are. Those avatars are also selectable in the Viewer 3 Choose an Avatar panel.

The default female avatar (Girl Next Door) also includes invisiprims.

KT Kingsley

Female City outfit (the one with the red jacket) is one of the initial avatars, and yes, those shoes use invisiprims, and...

they have an invisiprim script in them!