Khamon

Unfortunately those regulars may be resmoded off just as most of us were in 2006.

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Malachi

Wow, I don't think that I could point at a better example of how bad SL (IM really) is at communicating ideas, or of how productivity-free discussions with senior Lindens are, or how clue-have-not their operations are, than the dialog linked above.

Kahmon, I don't know how you manage to sit through that. Incidentally, in the little I've talked with Nika and Qie, they are victims of the same industry experience butting heads with the wall of can't-do as some of us 2004-5ish people were. Their intentions are honorable, but they can't recommend anyone but themselves because of daffy LL policy.

Perhaps the fault, dear Robin, is not in your stars, but in yourselves. Obviously no one has ever successfully run a customer forum before.

Mordos Yering

The one whose name we do no speak . . . in charge of the forums . . .

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Travis Lambert

Actually, I don't think that's a foregone conclusion.

Back in 2006, the mere mention of the word 'resmod' was on par with a thread Godwin. The vast majority of forum regulars were militantly opposed to resmods - and just about anyone that signed up to be one ended up ostracized.

The new crew of forum regulars doesn't seem to share this sentiment. Threads defending Strife were unthinkable in 2006 - in 2007 they seemed almost commonplace. The majority of the new crop of regulars on the forums doesn't seem to mind being moderated.

I still think resmods are a bad idea - but I suspect the ship isn't going to sink as quickly on this go-round.

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i think the forums were better off with strife than they are now.

Liona Clio

As I read through this thread, I was curious as to what big SNAFU the Lab had done now to garner the latest "SecondLifeSucksIDon'tKnowWhyIBother" sentiment.

But seriously. This is about not being able to properly read the SL Forums?? We are seriously running out of reasons to "That's it, I'm Leaving SL" if we're in mourning for that dead horse. Heck, Second Citizen rose and fell since the SL Forums stopped being relevent...and now we have SLU and SS to chat on.

Can someone explain to me why the SL Forums are so invaluable that the current cock-up deserves this kind of attention?

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Khamon

The second half of the meeting was more confusing to me. It's simply not true that LL won't stomp ad farmers because they don't want to harm legitimate inworld businesses. That doesn't wash considering their behaviour over the past four years. Maybe it just pisses me off that they treat us like children by smoothing over the rough edges of world management because we can't handle the truth.

In any case yes, I'm running out of reasons, but thought that was just me. Are other landowners feeling that way too, enough to make a difference? LL's opinion seems to still be that there'll always be someone else to pay the tier.

Brenda Connolly

It's not just the forum. It's the entire website. forum, account information, signup, it's all been 503'ed for almost 2 weeks, with almost no word at all from LL. It does seem better today, though. Plus the performance of the game itself has been more dodgy lately as well. And the official forums are the first place I as a new player went for information, I'm sure a lot of others have as well. It just seems to be part of a pattern that appears to be apathy and/or incompetence on LL's part concerning SL as a whole.
The forums there may seem irrelevant to many here understandably, but a whole lot of peple have come along who have no knowledge of the past history there, and don't really care.

If they don't care about their forum, they should close it down then. If it were my business, anything that has my name attached to it would work as intended, or it would be disposed of. Right now it's just an embarrasment.

Hiro Queso

There is no better word to describe it than an 'embarrassment'. The website is the shop front for SL & LL, and it being semi-down for nearly two weeks is frankly very scary. When ever there are problems on the grid, many of us try to console ourselves (convincingly or otherwise) with 'it's cutting edge tech' arguments, but when the main website has been semi-down nearly two weeks, one can't help but question if the same lack of urgency is applied elsewhere.

How can a potential new user, potential investor, etc, take SL seriously, when LL can't even maintain the website?

OK rant over; I'm now going to sprinkle petals and shit somewhere to maintain the +/- balance.

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slu and ss cannot come anywhere within light years of the sl forum in terms of information. the coding, building, and texturing discussion alone is unrivalled anywhere.

Chav Paderborn

I can only conclude that SL is affiliated with Scientology and Anonymous is taking the site down as part of the latest jihad.

Wildefire Walcott

Something interesting I noticed: New Search and the web-based SL login page are all hosted on the same servers (you get 503 errors in them too). I wonder if the increasing load introduced by New Search and client logins was the straw broke the camel's back?

As a data point, note that yesterday's Windlight update has the old-style in-client login method instead of the web-based method in previous versions, and it doesn't even try to load a web page, just shows a static graphic like SL clients of yore.

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Wildefire Walcott

Islands are still selling like hotcakes.

Khamon

Well then, LL still don't have to care what we think or how we feel. Good for them.

Wildefire Walcott

No, but they DO care how you feel! They want you to feel that the mainland sucks so you'll get fed up and buy an island!

Khamon

That's fine for them. I just wish they'd tell us that rather than dance us around with bogus verbiage and false perspective.

Brenda Archer

Exactly. Without the forums, there would be no user manual for SL. Residents would split into two groups, one with access to know-how and one without, and the latter would tend to use SL casually and drift away.

Put another way, killing the official forums off completely could strangle SL.

Brenda Archer

There's a lot of people who have tiered down and gone to renting or couch surfing. I have tiered down completely and might get a 512 just to stop renting. But I see myself in a process of gradually leaving SL.

The thing that started the process of leaving SL for me, was the mass confusion over verification, land ratings and morals policy, and the initial foolishness over VAT. While I have had a sour taste in my mouth ever since the GOMing of GOM, I hung in there because I was running a large group I enjoyed. I wanted to believe the subculture the users were creating would make up the difference for the indolence of LL. But my group had started out as a cross between a swinger's group, a club and a support group. It had the X rating seasoning to keep it interesting. Trying to keep it going only as an R rated club and a support group was a step toward making it irrelevant in a world still geared heavily toward sex. But I didn't feel I had much of a choice after the LL morals blogs.

Finally I handed my group over to a commercial website working in the same field and went on vacation from SL. The last group IMs I overheard seem to indicate no one is really doing much with it, but my RL has taken over and I can't really take up the mantle again.

LL's unwillingness to make anything but vague pronouncements is poison to anyone who's trying to interact with the residents as a whole, instead of only their own friends or employees in their own walled garden. By extension, projects which attempt to provide community to the residents as a whole are always dealing with uncertainty. Until LL grows up and understands their actual Source is their residents, all I can do is cross my fingers and hope a decent SL substitute matures before SL itself goes the way of something like ActiveWorlds.

Irrelevance.

Mecha Dinosaur

Anonymous might not forgive, but Anonymous has a horrible memory.

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Mordos Yering

Horrible memory, or a short attention span?

Wildefire Walcott

Oh god, please not that.

Brenda Archer

It would be awful. It would be tragic.

Did I throw three years of my life down a rathole? Ghod I hope not.

Cocoanut Koala

They seem to have fixed it.

coco

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Beebo Brink

At the same time that you're pulling out, I find myself buying yet more land and becoming more and more entrenched.

Even if SL were to collapse tomorrow, taking all my virtual assets with it, I would consider my time and money well spent. I live for the moment in SL, and so far those moments have been a helluva lot of fun for me.

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Brenda Connolly

Yep. No one forced me to sign up, no one forces me to come back each day. Tomorrow may be the day I say "No More SL for me" , but I'll move on and be entertained elsewhere with no regrets. I've made a conscious decision not to invest myself in SL, either financially or emotionally any deeper than that.