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Ann Otoole · 10-05-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laverne Unit

I know what you mean. I'm pretty fed up with all this. It's getting to the point where I feel like I need to see WIP pictures (actually, I see quite a lot of mesh WIPs on flickr), or know the maker from their other work. Probably I'm overreacting, but I'm certainly going to be careful about new mesh creators whose work is suspiciously good.

Funny. I have the same opinion of shoes and boots.

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...d-model/519242
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...d-model/578949
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...d-model/356693
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-boots/295462
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...el-boot/403045
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...d-model/516914
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...le-boot/629427
lots more but for better ones you would have to pay what is tantamount to a full perms sculpty set fee.

And that is just what is found on turbosquid in 10 seconds.

Ann Otoole · 10-05-2011, 04:44 PM

What nobody wants:

Reptilian Pirate HD - YouTube

Not until it gets ripped by Disney and seen in a movie. Then people will want it and I will be sued into oblivion by the Disney Army of Lawyers. Even though I hold the copyright I could not withstand the counter suit associated legal fees.

armozel · 10-05-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielRavenNest

Umm, Garry himself posted that he has *sold* a million copies at $10 each. So it's hardly true no one profits.

**Cindy Claveau** · 10-07-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ann Otoole

The eyes and lips on renderosity skins are usually available in merchant resource kits.

Up until the Minnu scandal, most Renderosity artists thought their basic EULAs protected them when they released merchant resource kits. Those kits were intended for use by other Renderosity merchants in digital renderings, with full accreditation.

After Danae's skin was re-used without credit by Minnu, those artists have gotten smarter. Most of the high end content I see now comes with a much more succinct and restrictive EULA than before. Ripping skins for mass sale in a different world is not something they take lightly.

**Tya** · 10-07-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ann Otoole

Funny. I have the same opinion of shoes and boots.

studded boots 3d model
free corset dress brianna female 3d model
red dragon boots 3d model
3d boots
3d model boot
free female shoe 3d model
free 3ds mode simple boot
lots more but for better ones you would have to pay what is tantamount to a full perms sculpty set fee.

And that is just what is found on turbosquid in 10 seconds.

so let me ask you, do you automatically assume that anyone who releases a great mesh shoe or boot has automatically ripped it off from a 3d modelling site?

Ann Otoole · 10-07-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tya

so let me ask you, do you automatically assume that anyone who releases a great mesh shoe or boot has automatically ripped it off from a 3d modelling site?

Of course not. Why nobody rips anything off. That is why this thread exists.

Right?

**Tya** · 10-07-2011, 10:25 AM

i am well aware of what this thread is about. This isnt the first time you have mentioned shoes.

i am quoting your response to Laverne. She said she is getting to the point that she has to see the work in progress photos . and you said you have the same opinion of boots and shoes. So that leads me to believe that you think, anyone who makes shoes and boots in mesh has ripped them off.

its a valid question.

Coyote Momiji · 10-07-2011, 10:29 AM

Tya, she's in one of her... states... again.

Ann Otoole · 10-07-2011, 10:41 AM

I don't think everyone that makes footwear takes shortcuts.

When it was just sculpts some people doing it got away with it because they convinced people something called retopo was not possible.

With mesh it is not going to be so easy for them as this thread is beginning to prove.

As for the footwear on turbosquid? Unless the artist specifically forbids it you can use them for personal use in SL per the TS license faq. (until TS changes it anyway and I expect they will eventually)

**Tya** · 10-07-2011, 10:50 AM

i don't care about turbo squid or any other 3d site. but when you made a generalized statement, i took it as an insult not only to me but other shoe makers i know who make their own poly mesh.

i wish the community would start to embrace and enjoy what mesh will bring. instead of being suspicious of everything and everyone.

Laverne Unit · 10-07-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tya

i am quoting your response to Laverne. She said she is getting to the point that she has to see the work in progress photos .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tya

i wish the community would start to embrace and enjoy what mesh will bring. instead of being suspicious of everything and everyone.

I feel I should apologise - I meant my comment about the work in progress pictures to be flippant, but I was also in a bad mood, so it probably didn't sound like anything but suspicion. I am really excited about mesh - I just get so annoyed when I see people stealing assets and getting the credit (and money) that should be going to the honest, hard-working creators among us. I'm sorry if I came across in another way.

Ann Otoole · 10-07-2011, 11:14 AM

I know some mesh makers that came to SL after making actual video games for years. Their work is the best I have seen in SL. They have been at it for over a decade. Their work will always and forever be superior. Nor will their work ever look like something off a model archive because they are original and are not reflective of real life ready to wear products. I.e.; copyrightable because they are not a common style.

There are people in SL that rip stuff off. There will always be people in SL that rip stuff off. It got so bad that now people are suspicious. They have to be wary because a take down can delete what they paid for. Isn't my fault.

The main risk is making real life type stuff like shoes. Because it will be found on model archives. What can you do? Back in 2007 I had to endure all sorts of crap because of shoes. The solution the assholes came up with was to rip the sculpts, open them in a model app. retopo, and start selling the shoes full perms in an attempt to do me harm. can't DMCA because the sculpts did not match after retopo and it is a real life style. If it hasn't happened to you yet then consider yourself lucky. I gave up on it. I bought some full perms shoes once only to realize they were franken shoes made of parts that came from multiple legit makers. What an ass pain. So I stopped buying full perms stuff too. If you buy something and it turns out a part of it was ripped and you sold thousands of copies and the takedown happens then all those customers are screwed. As well as all the customers of all the other people that bought the ripped parts, made assemblies, and sold them to hundreds or thousands of customer. At least with sculpts you could sort of see the stretching to tip you off it might have been fudged.

Yea so after years of the SL ripoff routine you should expect people to be wary.

Once upon a time in SL any creator that dared to file a DMCA was derided and ridiculed and mob hated because they were "capitalists". At least that attitude has changed for the better.

**Tya** · 10-07-2011, 12:16 PM

I know people ripp stuff of in sl. It's happened to me so many times I have lost count

I think I am feeling over sensitive lately. I have already had people ask me where I bought my models. It's like a slap in the face. Everything I have ever done has been my own, start to finish and to have people assume other wise is like a kick in the gut

Laverne is right about knowing your creators and who you purchase from

I am not upset or picking on anyone like I said over sensitive lately

Ann Otoole · 10-07-2011, 12:19 PM

At least you are not getting death threats irl like I was back in 2007/2008 over frakkin shoes in SL. SL is chock full of insane people. Some of whom might live near you.

If I choose to start making new stuff with all this 3d modeling software i burned thousands of dollars on then you can be sure that 1. It will not be on this account and 2: there will be no shoes. Done with friggin ridiculous shoe drama.

**Io Zeno** · 10-07-2011, 12:27 PM

Meh, this was going to happen when mesh came out. Especially with guns.

If it worries you, buy from creators you know and trust.

(buy Eata's guns)

**Io Zeno** · 10-07-2011, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Otoole

At least you are not getting death threats irl like I was back in 2007/2008 over frakkin shoes in SL. SL is chock full of insane people. Some of whom might live near you.

If I choose to start making new stuff with all this 3d modeling software i burned thousands of dollars on then you can be sure that 1. It will not be on this account and 2: there will be no shoes. Done with friggin ridiculous shoe drama.

I've only wanted to make death threats over RL shoes that killed my feet.

Troy Vogel · 10-07-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tya

I know people ripp stuff of in sl. It's happened to me so many times I have lost count

I think I am feeling over sensitive lately. I have already had people ask me where I bought my models. It's like a slap in the face. Everything I have ever done has been my own, start to finish and to have people assume other wise is like a kick in the gut

Laverne is right about knowing your creators and who you purchase from

I am not upset or picking on anyone like I said over sensitive lately

Don't get baited... over reacting is a sure way to make people suspect that you have something to hide -- even if you're over-reacting because you're a super honest person who is genuinely offended to be included in a supposed implied but never clearly stated list of individuals....

Keep your quiet.... let it roll off your back :-)

BTW, not giving advice.... just talking to myself :-P

Darien Caldwell · 10-07-2011, 01:55 PM

So my takeaway is, if one day someone accuses me of stealing mesh from some game when in fact I spent months designing it, I should take that as a compliment.

Fortunately (or sadly), I don't think my skill level is that high. Yet.

Eata · 10-07-2011, 02:19 PM

Hopefully no-one gets falsely accused

There are a lot of models on the marketplace that have raised my eyebrows in suspicion but it's hard to tell if they are legal imports.

Eata · 10-13-2011, 08:23 PM

Fallout 3 props and rooms used for a roleplay sim.

Second Life Maps | Island of Darkness

Not obvious how to get to it, there is a telepad in the floor on the lower level of the mall that has one destination, Vault 101.

Coyote Momiji · 10-13-2011, 08:25 PM

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p...ers-Kit/109501

DAZ 3D - Castle Royal

Darien Caldwell · 10-13-2011, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyote Momiji

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p...ers-Kit/109501

DAZ 3D - Castle Royal

Guess it's already been taken down, link doesn't work.

Coyote Momiji · 10-13-2011, 08:57 PM

Baahaha, sweet justice.

**Casper Priestman** · 10-13-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darien Caldwell

Guess it's already been taken down, link doesn't work.

Not at that link...just search Castle Royal Builders Kit and it still pops up on the marketplace.

Ann Otoole · 10-13-2011, 09:25 PM

Ahh the plague of the infinite relisters because LL will not file felony unauthorized computer access charges on the teenybopper everything wants to be free anti copyright shitheads.

10-07-2011, 01:55 PM	#68 (permalink)
Darien Caldwell Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 882 My Mood: SL Join Date: 10/12/2006 Business: [H]arsh Styles Client: Always changing, and too lazy to edit.	So my takeaway is, if one day someone accuses me of stealing mesh from some game when in fact I spent months designing it, I should take that as a compliment. Fortunately (or sadly), I don't think my skill level is that high. Yet. __________________ [H]arsh Styles

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10-07-2011, 10:25 AM	#57 (permalink)
Tya Gone *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,054 SL Join Date: August 28 2003 Business: [PM] Pixel Mode Client: 2.0 Blog Entries: 16	i am well aware of what this thread is about. This isnt the first time you have mentioned shoes. i am quoting your response to Laverne. She said she is getting to the point that she has to see the work in progress photos . and you said you have the same opinion of boots and shoes. So that leads me to believe that you think, anyone who makes shoes and boots in mesh has ripped them off. its a valid question.

10-07-2011, 10:29 AM	#58 (permalink)
Coyote Momiji Account Closed *SLU Supporter* -Fin- Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,590 My Mood: SL Join Date: 01/26/06 Business: .( bewildebeest ). Blog Entries: 1	Tya, she's in one of her... states... again.

10-07-2011, 10:41 AM	#59 (permalink)
Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,943	I don't think everyone that makes footwear takes shortcuts. When it was just sculpts some people doing it got away with it because they convinced people something called retopo was not possible. With mesh it is not going to be so easy for them as this thread is beginning to prove. As for the footwear on turbosquid? Unless the artist specifically forbids it you can use them for personal use in SL per the TS license faq. (until TS changes it anyway and I expect they will eventually)

10-07-2011, 10:50 AM	#60 (permalink)
Tya Gone *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,054 SL Join Date: August 28 2003 Business: [PM] Pixel Mode Client: 2.0 Blog Entries: 16	i don't care about turbo squid or any other 3d site. but when you made a generalized statement, i took it as an insult not only to me but other shoe makers i know who make their own poly mesh. i wish the community would start to embrace and enjoy what mesh will bring. instead of being suspicious of everything and everyone.

10-07-2011, 11:14 AM	#62 (permalink)
Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,943	I know some mesh makers that came to SL after making actual video games for years. Their work is the best I have seen in SL. They have been at it for over a decade. Their work will always and forever be superior. Nor will their work ever look like something off a model archive because they are original and are not reflective of real life ready to wear products. I.e.; copyrightable because they are not a common style. There are people in SL that rip stuff off. There will always be people in SL that rip stuff off. It got so bad that now people are suspicious. They have to be wary because a take down can delete what they paid for. Isn't my fault. The main risk is making real life type stuff like shoes. Because it will be found on model archives. What can you do? Back in 2007 I had to endure all sorts of crap because of shoes. The solution the assholes came up with was to rip the sculpts, open them in a model app. retopo, and start selling the shoes full perms in an attempt to do me harm. can't DMCA because the sculpts did not match after retopo and it is a real life style. If it hasn't happened to you yet then consider yourself lucky. I gave up on it. I bought some full perms shoes once only to realize they were franken shoes made of parts that came from multiple legit makers. What an ass pain. So I stopped buying full perms stuff too. If you buy something and it turns out a part of it was ripped and you sold thousands of copies and the takedown happens then all those customers are screwed. As well as all the customers of all the other people that bought the ripped parts, made assemblies, and sold them to hundreds or thousands of customer. At least with sculpts you could sort of see the stretching to tip you off it might have been fudged. Yea so after years of the SL ripoff routine you should expect people to be wary. Once upon a time in SL any creator that dared to file a DMCA was derided and ridiculed and mob hated because they were "capitalists". At least that attitude has changed for the better.

10-07-2011, 12:16 PM	#63 (permalink)
Tya Gone *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,054 SL Join Date: August 28 2003 Business: [PM] Pixel Mode Client: 2.0 Blog Entries: 16	I know people ripp stuff of in sl. It's happened to me so many times I have lost count I think I am feeling over sensitive lately. I have already had people ask me where I bought my models. It's like a slap in the face. Everything I have ever done has been my own, start to finish and to have people assume other wise is like a kick in the gut Laverne is right about knowing your creators and who you purchase from I am not upset or picking on anyone like I said over sensitive lately

10-07-2011, 12:19 PM	#64 (permalink)
Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,943	At least you are not getting death threats irl like I was back in 2007/2008 over frakkin shoes in SL. SL is chock full of insane people. Some of whom might live near you. If I choose to start making new stuff with all this 3d modeling software i burned thousands of dollars on then you can be sure that 1. It will not be on this account and 2: there will be no shoes. Done with friggin ridiculous shoe drama.

10-07-2011, 12:27 PM	#65 (permalink)
Io Zeno Sex and Evil *SLU Supporter* Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 20,129 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	Meh, this was going to happen when mesh came out. Especially with guns. If it worries you, buy from creators you know and trust. (buy Eata's guns)

10-07-2011, 02:19 PM	#69 (permalink)
Eata Senior Member :confusedcat: Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,170 My Mood: Business: Breach	Hopefully no-one gets falsely accused There are a lot of models on the marketplace that have raised my eyebrows in suspicion but it's hard to tell if they are legal imports.

10-13-2011, 08:23 PM	#70 (permalink)
Eata Senior Member :confusedcat: Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,170 My Mood: Business: Breach	Fallout 3 props and rooms used for a roleplay sim. Second Life Maps \| Island of Darkness Not obvious how to get to it, there is a telepad in the floor on the lower level of the mall that has one destination, Vault 101.

10-13-2011, 08:25 PM	#71 (permalink)
Coyote Momiji Account Closed *SLU Supporter* -Fin- Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,590 My Mood: SL Join Date: 01/26/06 Business: .( bewildebeest ). Blog Entries: 1	https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p...ers-Kit/109501 DAZ 3D - Castle Royal

10-13-2011, 08:57 PM	#73 (permalink)
Coyote Momiji Account Closed *SLU Supporter* -Fin- Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,590 My Mood: SL Join Date: 01/26/06 Business: .( bewildebeest ). Blog Entries: 1	Baahaha, sweet justice.

10-13-2011, 09:25 PM	#75 (permalink)
Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,943	Ahh the plague of the infinite relisters because LL will not file felony unauthorized computer access charges on the teenybopper everything wants to be free anti copyright shitheads.

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