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Old 08-18-2011, 02:57 PM   #176 (permalink)
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So I spent some time trying to find out more (and I will blog about this).
I searched the forums here. I found something interesting, in the RedZone thread there is this post:
ZF Redzone, Disclosure of SecondLife Alts.

Cdurd77 runs the JLU partner group Police Department and is a member of the JLU. What wasn't seen back then is the media URL's. Whilst Cdurd77 may have initially had RedZone he soon developed his own system as I pointed out. Moap on pin badges on their uniforms. Flashing of media etc. He has used both sensors and collision.

Anyway, their media URL translated back to: policedepartmentonsl.info

The irony is it was in plain sight, but was mistaken for being part of the RedZone scandal. Below I have listed the servers recommended to be blocked to stop RZ. But there, second from last, is the early DB the JLU and PD was using.
- isellsl.ath.cx
- isellsl.com
- zfire.isellsl.com
- girlsofthevip.com
- hamlinpro.com
- syscast.net
- media.syscast.net
- apache2-blow.port-au-prince.dreamhost.com
- quickware.net
- www.quickware.net
- quickware.zapto.org
- wh0.zapto.org
- m.sparkgap.info
- policedepartmentonsl.info
- sparrowindustries.net

Unfortunately towards the end of June the site was gone. But a simple look found their site had moved to: policedepartmentgroup.org, but without probing a little more I haven't as yet found the URL of the look up page.

It is possible it is now hosted on the JLU's VPS. This would certainly explain why there was an import date of the 21st of June 2011. All previous records being imported seed to have been set to that date. It is the earliest I can find.

The list shows detections up to a few days ago. Which seems to fit.

But it isn't hard enough evidence to put a gag on the JLU (at this point they will just denounce the PD, despite having worked with them for ages).

So I IM'd a member of the JLU asking if he would provide me with the link for the policedepartment thing as I was on an alt and didn't have my b link. He replied with it was policedepartmentonsl.info/slpd/lookupuser2.php?avatar_name=Kalel but it was moved to http://plutonium.kryptonradio.com. I said thanks and chuckled.

However, last night (actually early this morning for me) the content seems to have moved again. It was previously returning a standard linux htaccess login box. Where as now it gives a 401 with a domain admin webpage. I guess the release of the list has caused them to move it again.

So please explain, why the move if nothing of value was lost? or leaked?

If this really has nothing to do with the JLU then are we to believe this is merely a coincidence? The list leak and the server move happening on the same day?

And I would still like a JLU member to confirm if Drone1 resident was Kalel?

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Old 08-18-2011, 02:59 PM   #177 (permalink)
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So no one seems to care that w-hat, a group that was over a half decade old with over 900 members had everyone kicked out by Kalel?
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There would be no negative to prove were Phantom Zone open source and all its data fully public from the start
I'm a big fan of open source myself and normally I would agree with you but, an open source security system is no longer secure. Variations would be made that no longer comply with any sort of standard. In addition, even if I were to release 'the code' that would prove nothing. For all the naysayers would know it could be a fake.. and I'm back to proving a negative.
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The only way to verify any system is via Anonymous techniques that expose everything to the world against the will of the system owner. Open source is meaningless.

Since this type activity is illegal I cannot condone nor support it.
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I'm a big fan of open source myself and normally I would agree with you but, an open source security system is no longer secure.
That's bull.
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I'm a big fan of open source myself and normally I would agree with you but, an open source security system is no longer secure.
I think the folks over at DD-WRT would disagree.
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There are only a finite number of methods to make a security system in SL. Everyone knows the LSL functions and that leaves abusing media to perform IP address/http header matching to names.

Anything else is an exploit and as the SL Police I would assume it would be reported to Soft and not used. There is no secret algorithm, you aren't making a virus scanner and don't have access to the host machines.
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Perhaps Vagabond could answer this: Is Drone1 an alt of Kalel Venkman?

A simple yes or no from you or any of your aliases will do.
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So no one seems to care that w-hat, a group that was over a half decade old with over 900 members had everyone kicked out by Kalel?
Of course. In the book "Second life: The official guide" W-hat was mentioned as having "some of the best builds in all of secondlife."

It seems a shame that an "Anti griefer" would destroy a group that was supported enough by the community to be published in SLs official guide.

How can a man claiming to be a good individual harass, lie, and defame so many people. W-hat alone means he harassed 900 people. That doesn't include my 150 members of the ZCR he harassed, everyone tied to that iplog fiasco or countless others that the JLU has gone after.
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Counting down until Vagabond runs away and starts sockpuppeting with Fenric or DaGummiez.

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I didn't see any RL info posted in the thread but I do definitely understand not wanting the site linked here.
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I didn't see any RL info posted in the thread but I do definitely understand not wanting the site linked here.
Some posts have already been removed.
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sorry Cris, never even crossed my mind when I did the original post thanks for removing it.
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sorry Cris, never even crossed my mind when I did the original post thanks for removing it.
It's ok, Misty - I know your intentions were not malicious. It is some of the other stuff that has popped up I was actually referring to.
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I am wary of any group that purports to have the safety of the public in its best interest, yet refuses to engage in transparency when accusations of abuse are leveled at them.
I don't blame you, it only makes them look more suspicious. But I'm not surprised, since this is a group that delves itself in secrets.

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what about where they "think" they work?
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There were about 5 or 6 people that were hanging around the infohub we were at that we didn't invite to be members because they caused drama. So they got annoyed and told the JLU we were griefers. JLU members came and "spied on us, false reported some of my friends which then got them suspended, and the JLU was constantly used as threats against us."

You personally spied on us while telling other JLU members in some wiki where you were datamining information that our members were spies.
So while you accused us of being spies you were spying on us.

Afterwards you did put that you thought the whole situation was just a popularity contest and a misunderstanding but this was already after the harassment/damage was done and you had put a whole page of just "complete bs" about me and my group into your wiki.
This is an interesting example of how people's memories can change over time, and events can seem totally different than what actually happened. Here is the JLU wiki article I wrote at the time (mid-October, 2009), posted on one of the leaked wiki websites. I copy/pasted a notecard that was given to me, the results of my observations, and the results of my conversation with you. I never saw any misconduct by anyone in that sim, and as a result I never wrote an Abuse Report on anyone. I can't speak for anyone else, but I never heard of any other JLU folks writing ARs on your group either. So if some of your group members were suspended from Second Life, it was probably not as a result of anything we did. I stood right out in the open using my main character's account and chatting with the residents of the sim who had asked for my help. I never accused anyone of spying and I never did any spying myself. If you can find anything malicious or unfair about anything I wrote there, then I will give you a public apology right here.
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I would like to ask you to answer one simple question (please answer this honestly, I would hate for you to be proven a liar):

- Is/was Drone1 an alt of Kalel?
The honest answer is that I don't know. I never heard of Drone1 Resident until the name was mentioned in this thread. Generally the group members do not inform others of all their alts, probably not for any special security reasons, but just because it's too much information to try to remember, and it's not necessary for everyone to know everyone else's business. If I did know the answer I would say something like "I can't tell you that."
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GLE perhaps you could check your wiki? I don't doubt you guys would have a page listing your alts. I imagine a page of tables of each of your alts. Obviously I don't recommend posting a duplicate of the page, just a yes or no would be nice?

And on a personal note my page could be sent to me in IM

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I copy/pasted a notecard that was given to me, the results of my observations,
So then this isn't complete bs?
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This group contains a high number of alts, and a fairly high number of /b/tards, and a number of known griefers, including some of some notoriety.
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Group founded by Zip PazGroup leader, has build-rights in Nova Albion (via another group he is part of) that he often uses to get at the people the zombies target – repeatedly rezzes ‘zombie’ – related objects to advertise his group and give the impression his group own the public land within the infohub. Usually ends up being ‘reminded’ to remove them by the group that provides those rez-rights as it is against their policy and SL's community standards.. Latest situation of this manner was him rezzing a deliberately square/badly built lamp-post (with floating text) in Sistiana in an attempt to get at the work of one of his targets who had been asked to help on a memorial for the recently deceased Garth Fairchang. Zip replacing a memorial with something mocking it pretty much sums up his attitude/lack of respect for others. Zip’s profile is full of pics aimed at me/others he’s targeted (though no names are mentioned so little can be done about it via the traditional ARing systerm). There are around 130 group members, but a good amount of these are alts of the main players.
Completely untrue and told to you by people who didn't like us.In fact all of the people's names you post as "griefer targets" and allies for you.. we're griefing us. You basically have no facts when you choose to target people, you just go off of someone elses statement no matter how true or false it is.


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and the results of my conversation with you. I never saw any misconduct by anyone in that sim, and as a result I never wrote an Abuse Report on anyone. I can't speak for anyone else, but I never heard of any other JLU folks writing ARs on your group either. So if some of your group members were suspended from Second Life, it was probably not as a result of anything we did. I stood right out in the open using my main character's account and chatting with the residents of the sim who had asked for my help. I never accused anyone of spying and I never did any spying myself. If you can find anything malicious or unfair about anything I wrote there, then I will give you a public apology right here.
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I spent about two hours in Miramare talking with Lillith in IM today. One of the zombie alts stood silently nearby for a long time, but finally left. During that time, Rodimal Axon showed up in his Flash uniform, as did mexican Spitteler in his Blue Lantern uniform. I recalled what someone had told me about how the zombies would put out scouts who would send for the other group members when one of their preferred targets showed up somewhere. I would like to think that this zombie scout fired up the zombie group channel and said "Guys, there's no use coming to Miramare today. The peacekeepers are here."
Seems like you accused us of spying there. That was a place we hung out. You came and spied on us and listened to a minority of people who were using you to harass us. My favorite part of this whole wiki is

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We're not griefers. We never have been. Our group still exists. Who are you to try and remove any of us from an infohub when we did not do anything wrong. You're not Lindens.
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GLE perhaps you could check your wiki? I don't doubt you guys would have a page listing your alts. I imagine a page of tables of each of your alts. Obviously I don't recommend posting a duplicate of the page, just a yes or no would be nice?
Okay, this is the point where I say "I can't tell you that."
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