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Old 08-21-2011, 12:54 PM   #1426 (permalink)
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I highly doubt we will get much else from the Justice League of SL. They are most likely working under the impression that if they do not respond, this will be swept under the rug and a new shiny will come along to distract us.
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I highly doubt we will get much else from the Justice League of SL. They are most likely working under the impression that if they do not respond, this will be swept under the rug and a new shiny will come along to distract us.
Their arrogance will not allow anyone to dictate to them how they should operate. Their kryptonite (oh yeah) will be the Linden ban hammer. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what happens to the wiki after that.

The JLU simply doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks about them.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:36 PM   #1432 (permalink)
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I highly doubt we will get much else from the Justice League of SL. They are most likely working under the impression that if they do not respond, this will be swept under the rug and a new shiny will come along to distract us.
That's what I fear.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:46 PM   #1433 (permalink)
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Their arrogance will not allow anyone to dictate to them how they should operate. Their kryptonite (oh yeah) will be the Linden ban hammer. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what happens to the wiki after that.

The JLU simply doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks about them.
It might seem that way, but they actually do care what people think of them - hence why they astroturf their own site and send people to this thread in vein attempts to explain away the problems.

It just SEEMS like they don't care because they have been so deluded over time with weekly meetings filling their head with Kalel's nonsense that they actually think what they are doing is "ok."

Because of that, they completely miss what point you are trying to make when you ask insightful questions about their behavior. They take it as "oh look, this poor ignorant resident doesn't know what amazing work we do, here let me explain it for you" instead of "oh shit they are fucking pissed making good points and I had better tell them WHY we think this is ok"

For now, you can expect a period of silence followed by a long article on their controlled Krypton Radio blog where all comments will be deleted that are critical and a wave of supportive comments will follow (99 percent of which will be comments made by them under assumed names - they've been caught doing it before).

It'd be nice to see them try something original in response to criticism this time, though. I really wouldn't hold your breath.

As for those that think people posting on here with an axe to grind should be taken any less seriously than anyone else - I think that if the actions and comments of the JLU members here in this thread to date aren't enough to convince you that those with an axe to grind have a valid one, maybe reading something other than the lolcats in the thread will help.
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It means linking to or posting personal information from an SL account, including RL names, locations, IP addresses and contact information. This includes sites that contain the lists of collected information or links to it.
Does that include our own personal info? That's been done a few time by one guy who stated specifically that he was ok with it.
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After reading this thread, I am more than ever convinced that those JLU lunatics are nothing but a bunch of megalomaniac, delusional thugs.

Why do I have to think of Muxmäuschenstill (Quiet As A Mouse) to the 100s when reading about these bullies?
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Old 08-21-2011, 02:18 PM   #1439 (permalink)
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Sorry for this, but I couldn't resist showing how Kalel was discrediting RZ's opposers. I expect nothing less of him this time (when he finally takes his head out of the sand that is).
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To comply with forum rules, we have set up an alternative site which will deal with JLU related leaks, no RL information is held within this site. We have many, many files to sift through (and we mean MANY). Once we do, we will steadily release new material related to the JLU and their corrupt activities. You can find the new site here: JLU Leaks - The List
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I said it in the Redzone thread and I will say it here (although I know I am wasting my energy in doing so). It's too bad when people like this group hear legitimate concerns, criticism and complaints from fellow residents, instead of taking that information and making decisions/changes that would be for the better of everyone; not just for ourselves but for them too, they would rather act like this is a tug of war and stand firm and, as a result, most likely implode their group from within.

They do do good things. They don't need the real life information and wiki garbage. True good guys know when to admit they have made a mistake, apologize and change. I have more respect for someone who falters and admits where they went wrong and changes things around than someone who seemingly never falters at all. How can you claim to be the good guys when so many SL citizens feel threatened by your group and their real life data mining? We aren't upset and screaming out our feelings in this thread for good old fashioned entertainment. We are not the bad guys. We are genuinely upset. One person being upset, no biggie. Two people being upset, hum, maybe need a thicker skin. A whole forum worth of people upset, you need to do some heavy self examination.

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They scare me much more than some jerk placing self replicating prims in a sandbox. I actually had to debate long and hard about voicing my opinion in this thread for fear I would become a "target of interest" and end up on their wiki along with my intensely personal real life information for all their cronies to read over for pisses and giggles. That says it all doesn't it? I am sure I am not the only person who feels that way. I am sure there are MANY people who have read this thread, agree with my sentiments and say NOTHING because of exactly what I just stated in this paragraph.

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Sorry for this, but I couldn't resist showing how Kalel was discrediting RZ's opposers. I expect nothing less of him this time (when he finally takes his head out of the sand that is).
I'm wondering whose ass he pulled those 'statistics' on the make up of the GZ group out of. Really he doesn't seem to get the fake GZ folks running around griefing while posing as actual members. The fact that he believed anything zFire did shows his complete ignorance of the situation.

This also shows he cares very little, if any at all, about anybodies privacy. I'm starting to wonder how many of the supporters on the RZ forums were JLU people.
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So much for all the "evidence" and smoke and mirrors and vague allegations about Phantom Zone. I told you guys that it didn't collect IP addresses, and it doesn't. Here's confirmation that the list of names and IPs did not come from Phantom Zone. This whole issue was completely manufactured and bogus.

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I'll comment on the more general issue that's triggered this whole brouhaha, since this JIRA has been linked from blogs and forums –

Working backward from the list of resis in the recently published resi IP list, I was able to build a list of the locations visited by a large share of those resis. Working from the location list, I pulled historic simulator states for those locations and found several of the IP collection probes.

The operator is affiliated with a large group of resis who were previously banned from SL, and who were told they were not allowed to return. I've referred that to Governance. It's up to Governance whether they blacklist, ban, or warn. I suspect their action will be swift on this one, given the prior history.

I also see that members of a "policing" group acknowledge having operated their own IP collectors. They claim they stopped collecting around the time Red Zone was removed from SL. I've asked the policing group for confirmation and details while I'm doing my own research, and I've referred that to Governance as well. It's pretty clear that if they did/do have their own collection, it's not the same as the recently published set.

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If anyone finds an object that's still making suspicious media requests to a third-party site, or back to an object on the simulator itself, please file an Abuse Report against the actual object. You can assume we'll have heard about any second-hand reports that you see circulating in blogs and forums - reporting those just muddies up the AR lists. Governance gets very few legitimate first-hand reports about these probes. These are the smoking guns that can help Governance act more swiftly.
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A bunch of stuff KalEl said to Gem.
Well, and good morning to you too. As the person who was listed as the top poster in the first RZ thread and one of the top five, I believe in the second, let's put this in perspective for just one brief shining moment.:

1. My RL ID is known, and not even remotely secret. It has never been secret. I write a weekly column on another site under my real, given wallet name and I link it quite publicly to my SL and internet IDs.

2. All my alts are known- in fact the only 2 alts Ive ever actually used were my bank alt Ischade Stratten, and Oopert(resident) who was logged in on June 15 2011 for an event(Oop is named after my cat- it was his birthday and we collected money at a charity event that went towards the medical bills of Charles Rehill of the band Lost Signal's family- the receipt for that money going to the chipin fund was posted for all to see.) That's it. There's no alt abuse, no secret alts. no nothing.

3. BDSM- while that is what I did my thesis on, it has *nothing* to do with my SL or in fact my RL. It's just what I did my thesis on.

4. Ageplay? No, we don't even allow child avatars on our sims- period. I don't want to be around kids IRL, I damned sure don't want to be around people pretending to BE kids in SL.

5. I guess I fall into that 5-6% businesspeople thing. Well that, I can't deny. SL for me is absolutely about business first, but the fact is that the reason that I jumped the RZ thread so hard is because there was nothing about me that was secret. I wasn't hiding anything. There was nothing to expose. I didn't have to worry about that sort of retaliation. So it was much easier for me to say something than someone else who didn't have that luxury, as they had more to lose.

Im not a member of GZ. Never was. But from where I'm standing it looks a lot like KalEl is talking out of his ass.
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I think you missed the memo. We are long past being upset that your thingamajig may or may not collect IP addresses. We are on to much bigger issues. Nice try though.
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It's all a game to these bozos. They see it as a challenge, the more personal the information the better. They present the information they've gathered with gravitas. Look at the conversation about the false IP's. One member puts forward that having this information will make it easier to find a geographic location.

In the guise of doing good, these people have created a monument to amorality. I use the word amoral, an absence of morals, because they neither acknowledge that what they're doing is wrong, nor do they care.
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This also shows he cares very little, if any at all, about anybodies privacy. I'm starting to wonder how many of the supporters on the RZ forums were JLU people.
Privacy is not power (in his eyes).

I think his support for RZ principles was correct. However as PhantomZone came close to release, RZ became a competing product. How fortunate a Linded got it removed from SL.

I wonder how many of the RZ users are now PZ users. That would make interesting statistics.
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