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Potosi

Well I'm out for a while. I'll be back in a few hours to read some more. If there isn't at least a backlog of ten pages waiting for me I'll be disappointed, but I have faith in you all!

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Tyche Shepherd

I don't have problems in SL. If someone wants to throw around their epeen I just draw peoples attention to the tiny size, laugh and then just ignore them

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ZIMBABWE

now listning to kryptonradio from austrela haha wink wink

zip paz

"It's ok guys. Wiki secured. Whew"

Qie Niangao

If there's nothing to hide... well, lots of things, but for starters: Y'all would have no problem, then, with anybody knowing where these devices are in use. Right? No reason to have them renamed to "Object" or anything like that.

Trasee Darkwatch

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Casey Pelous

Try that part again, only even more condescending. Imagine Tyche is an idiot ...

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GreenLantern Excelsior

It is my understanding that a sim owner can add any resident to a local Phantom Zone whitelist, which will allow them access to the sim even if they were banned due to PZ's trusting another node's ban list. I have seen it happen for one guy who was globally banned but wanted to enter one sim that was protected by PZ. He talked to the sim owner, agreed not to do any griefing, and as far as I know he still has access. So you are telling me that the PZ node administrator was unable to give you a pass to enter a certain sim because you were globally banned? I would love to test this, because it sounds like either a glitch or a misunderstanding - or operator error.

And supplied by a guy named "Anon" - I don't consider that a reliable source. Let's find out where the list REALLY came from, because it didn't come from JLU.

His account was hijacked. He is no longer a member. He was a good guy who didn't deserve this treatment. He enjoyed patrolling sims and interacting with the other members of his 19th Century roleplaying group, but someone decided it would be funny to burn out his account just to steal some pages from the wiki. The result was not amusing.

Which has nothing to do with Phantom Zone.

I think this was intuition and deduction.

This is the "shotgun approach" to posting on discussion boards. It also seems to be diversionary. The title of the thread is "JLU Harvesting IP Addresses?" but whenever someone points out that the names and IP addresses on the list didn't come from JLU, the subject gets changed to W-Hat or Brainiac or DC Comics. Can we please stay on topic and talk about the list and where it came from?

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Tengu Yamabushi

Accounts were limited to folks with venues of particular size and/or other qualifications (a history of being the target of heavy griefing) - with Travis making a personal call as to which venues qualified and which didn't. Note that at least one group considered (in some circles) to be a 'griefing' group was granted such access, and actually IIRC did use the system to some extent - and this was consistent with how BanLink operated, as the other venues were free to trust that group, or to not trust.

Individuals per se were not granted accounts - but any individual could access/dispute their own information, with identity verification being through a process that combined using the web site and an in-world object. IMO Travis did his very best to maintain the maximum amount of transparency while balancing with regard to protecting individual folks' reputations - a thankless and ultimately exhausting task.

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Casey Pelous

You're new around here, ain't ya?

zip paz

It's not a diversion. One person came up and discussed a terrible thing your group did and then many others came and discussed lots of terrible things your group does. We're all still very much aware you're hiding things about the Phantom Zone product.

I think your comment was a "diversionary" tactic to steer the conversation away from those other awful things.

bronxelf

Rather amazingly(that was sarcasm, people.) no one needs a device to do this. At all. It often happens that people will find themselves banned from multiple sims for behaving like a dumbass with no need to a scripted device or a faux caped crusader around. It's called an IM window and email. It happens a lot in hunt groups when someone decides to be an idiot. They'll find themselves banned from the original sim, and several down the line- because people talk to one another and say "I banned $suchandso because they did $whateveritwas."

The notes feature in profile info allows the reason for the ban to be recorded and boom- whomever decides to ban them for the behavior will do it. No scripts, no central database, no hashtags, no RL information, no trying to ferret out alts, no nothing. Plain old garden variety notekeeping.

If they come back on another account and act like an idiot, ban that one too. If they come back on another account and DONT behave poorly, no reason to really care.

In the cases of real stalking (and they do happen.) there's other methods that can be used- not the least of which is that the authority to deal with really severe cases is the LAB, and your local law enforcement agency.

I will say this though- a feature to allow sim owners to ban by group (right now we have allowed groups in estate tools, I mean banned groups) would be a nice addition.

GreenLantern Excelsior

I suspect the answer to this is "No, you can't have a list of locations where the PZ nodes are located." The reason would be the same as the Greenzone/Redzone controversy. Greenzone owners were encouraged to harass Redzone owners until the Redzones were all removed (or at least that's the rumor we heard). It's the sim owner's business and no one else's whether he has a PZ node in his sim or not. Does the "PDS Security Orb" have a list of users and locations that's open for anyone to see?

Mad Mouse

And now a brief intermission:



Carry on!

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GreenLantern Excelsior

Nope. Been here longer than you have.

GreenLantern Excelsior

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zip paz

Identity theft, identity theft
3 to 5 years for identity theft.
Stolen data
for a wiki
Approximately 6 million people in SL nothing good rhymes with wiki
LOOK OUT....
that's 18000000 years in prison.

Ann Otoole

I created a jira on that request years ago and LL just summarily dismissed it. LL doesn't give a shit what customers need. They do what they want that benefits them personally or their friends.

Robble Rubble

You JLU people are real charmers aren't you?

Innula Zenovka

Has it ever occurred to Psyke, or to Hippo, or to anyone else who makes a security orb, or to anyone who owns one, that the presence of such a device on your land might be something you would want to conceal?

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Cathiee McMillan

Then I would suggest that you all open the entire Wiki for all to see, with NO modifications then we all can see what you have or do not have on it and what information you collect.
if you say you don't then Prove it. Stop hiding behind the fear of you all being griefed or harrass. you Super cops aren't you?

Greenies didn't harrass people with RZ Most people just would not go into their sims and support their business.
People are to cowardly to admit they use these products cause they KNOW people will not go to their places.
thats why you all hide them.


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I also see that they are avoiding Zips and my concern about the security of their wiki and If they have documentation on what they will do if it is Stolen so people can be informed with all the personal and or SL information in their wiki.

Menchor Barbosa

From reading all of the discussion, there seems to be a barely mentioned issue here. More than one JLU member has, in the past, on more than one occasion, has been rather thin skinned about criticism and retaliated against someone. With this as a precedent, creating a system to link bans that is fair and honest is viewed with a great deal of skepticism by many of us. There have been incidents in the past where members of this the JLU were less than helpful in dealing with griefing and in some cases may have made it worse. The ban system has a very restricted access, so it is impossible for someone to know if they are even listed, let alone if the information listed is accurate. Sorry guys, even if your intentions are good and you are very responsible, the track record you have on these kinds of things is not good, and the secrecy implys there IS something to hide. You have engaged in petty vendettas against your critics in the past, and have shown no sign of changing that in any way.

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Mad Mouse

From what you're saying, PZ works just like the Region/Estate powers that are already provided by LL. So tell me, why is it an advantage to use your product? What's "different" about it?

bronxelf

zFire used this exact (and I really do mean exact) argument. Do you know where he is now? I'm just saying maybe you wanna look that up.

Here's the thing- Im going to tell you what I told him at the time:

You need to stop hiding your toy. People need to be able to CHOOSE to not go to a location with your device, and they must be able to choose to opt out ***BEFORE*** the data is collected. KalEl's advice to rename the device is specifically and solely a dodge around that premise. Period. The end. There is no other explanation. You even agree it has little value- let me tell you why your boss over there wants it done:

He knows that if people are told before they are scanned by the device that they will leave and never come back. The database you all have is meaningless the moment it starves. It is only valuable if it is constantly given new information to process. KalEl knows that if given the choice, people will simply avoid JLU "protected" locations completely. Not just guilty folks, not just innocent folks- EVERYONE. And the people using the devices will see their traffic plummet. Don't believe me? Go have a look at the RZ threads and see what happened for yourself.

KalEl knows the only way he continues to get information is to be able to gather it secretly. That's the whole point, and it shows the lack of purity in his intentions.

Though you can see the problem (you seem like an intelligent lifeform), you don't CARE about the ethical issue and think it's okay, in the sense that you don't care about it one way or the other. Sorry to tell you, but that puts you in the same boat he's in.