Velvet Bikcin

They won't, but they should. This is where the JLU's committment to "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" comes into play.

So what is it JLU, are you a front for a bunch of wannabe stalkers, or are you actually committed to doing the right thing?

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Anguissette

I still can't fathom why they would want to hide the thing from Greenzone huds. I mean, isn't it better that a security system be highly visible, in order to deter alleged griefers and troublemakers from the get go? Why try to hide such a thing? In real life, the more 'I've got an alarm system' type signs you put up round your property, the less thieves will even bother coming near it. It just seems fishy.

zip paz

This is a good point. I would like to know what Cnet or Wired would think about this since it's crossing metaverse and real world laws. There could be an actual lawsuit involved in this.

Elysium Hynes

I fear it would take something really serious to happen for the JLU to understand the danger of this wiki, We saw the way RedZone affected innocent people, and the info in it was seriously a lot smaller. Tux provided the info existent on him, that info could be correct or not but if someone, some crazy stranger used that to inflict rl damage on him or anyone close to him on RL then the persons who provided that info would be in serious trouble.

If someone had taken the RL data contained on Joshua and done something with it then again something provided by the JLU for someone they don´t even consider a griefer, then there would be some serious trouble.

Do they even stop and think about this? I doubt so, maybe they won´t until there is some serious consequences to this sort of bs.

And this is what doesn´t make them any sort or super heroe but a lot more like villains.

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Trasee Darkwatch

I'm sure there are some that are trying to do the right thing. I'm kinda neutral toward GLE. I'm not sure what to make of his motivations, especially in light of information that has been uncovered that he may not have been aware of. Kalel, though, is certainly blinded by his own self-importance. The two developers here I am neutral toward as well. For all I know, they could be telling the truth, but as it surrounds the JLU, there is a mistrust still there. Beyond them, I really don't know of any JLU members, and I'd hate to cast them all under the same negative light that follows Kalel. Unfortunately, there is that "guilt by association" as well.

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Misty Harley

I don't mind shared bans in the sense that the parcel owner using the same banning ability has to opt in to share those banned with a trusted sim that carries their same policies, etc. And if they change their mind, they can opt right back out.

And as long as the banned person can go to that webpage and make their own notations from their side of the story known. This is extremely important when it comes to sharing bans like this. It's really the only way you are going to know if the sim/parcel your sharing with is trusted or not.

However, that isn't what appears to be happening here. It appears that JLU has the ability to global ban via a list that hits all parcels/sims in the system even if they haven't offered the trust.

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Velvet Bikcin

I think the days of being blind to the JLU's intentions are long past for anyone on their membership list. I'm sure there are some people who are involved because they wanted to RP superheroes, or drank the koolaid and thought they were helping the grid out.

Those days are passed. Other than members, I've not seen anyone make a strident defence of the JLU. We've reached that point where it's clear what they're up to is wrong. Perhaps it's the road to hell being paved with good intentions, perhaps it's VW megalomania, whatever it is, it has to stop. The JLU has a choice, close up shop on their own volition and keep their integrity intact, or go the way of Woodbury University and be shut down by the lab, scurrying back into SL under an Alt name and walking around in shame.

What is it boys?

Anguissette

If someone is intending to harvest my personal data (and be bored witless by most of it, no doubt), I want some prior warning that a sim I am about to enter is a place where such data is collected. And naturally, I want time to turn around and leave the accursed place before anyone can collect data on me. I have nothing to hide. But just because I've got nothing to hide, doesn't mean I want everything about me on show.

I mean, to put it another way, the underwear I am wearing are clean and nice, but I don't want everyone else to be able to see them anytime they want to, without my knowledge and against my will. It would make me feel very, very violated.

Velvet Bikcin

Correct me if I'm wrong, was Kal-el one of the most strident defenders of Redzone?

Casey Pelous

At least that's a momentary violation. Databases are forever: "On March 11, 2007, Casey Pelous did, with malice aforethought and intentional sniffing, wear previously worn underwear. This, despite repeated warnings from her Mom...."

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Marita

As Anguissette said in her post I have nothing to hide , SL or RL ... in fact I could win the "Most Boring Avatar" SL award and even more so in RL.


ATTENTION -- JLU please add me to your Uber Ban List , I do not wish to spend any L's on a product sold by an owner of PZ.

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Kara Spengler

I am sure they have already banned everyone who criticised them in this thread and wherever else. Probably started totally wrong entries about us on their wiki too.

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Velvet Bikcin

I don't care about being in a wiki. Woe betide anyone who uses that information to contact me though.

Imnotgoing Sideways

I consider my placement in their wiki reason for me to disbelieve anything they say about anyone. (=_=)

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Potosi

I still think it's very creepy that they keep storing more and more information on people like this. If that's not a sign of some serious mental issues I don't know what is. Maybe we need to start a campaign of false information to help them fill up their wiki.

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Sione

My name is Luka
I live on the second floor.
I live upstairs from you.
Yes, I think you've seen me before.

Potosi

No you're Jim and you pick up the garbage at my house. But I've seen you look through it. So I think you're kind of creepy, but in a nice slightly obsessed sort of way. That and I think you were just looking for something to eat.

Sione

Nope I was looking to see what avatar name you had so I could link it to your address for future reference.

Tux

The problem with the wiki pages are simple. The JLU are not a legitimate body in which to trust. They are data mining vast amounts of real life information. And so far everybody says so what. Well there is a history of abuse from the containment of this information. Let me lay it out for you:

When I was first asked to host the wiki leak I agreed but wasn't really interested. The server developed a fault and I forgot to put it onto the new hardware. It would never have gone back up but for Kalel emailing me for information. This is shown in the new wiki page I was sent.

So I put it back up. Now for the abuse. A week or so after uploading it and I forget the date exactly. My secretary comes in saying I have someone on the phone who claims we are hosting stolen material for one of our clients.

Now I run a small company in the UK providing certain services on the internet. Nothing special at all. So I took the call. First off was the american accent (I know all my customers and they are UK and EU based). But as he began to talk about a stolen wiki, I inturrupted him and told him straight 'Before you waste any more time I think you should know I am Tux'. At this point he hung up.

Thinking this was the end, I put it to memory for laughing about later on. A couple of weeks later I had a call from the data centre whom I host my servers with. They explained some american guy had contacted them claiming my company are heavily involved with cybercrime and currently have proof by way of a stolen wiki. Kalel advised they take all my servers offline until a full DMCA has been submitted.

After I explained everything, under UK law, there was no problem and the wiki remained. I see this information has not been added to the wiki page given to me (although it may have been missed off due to its length).

I am not the only person who have been subjected to RL crap because of this. Tizzers college was contacted and they tried to get him kicked out (this was before the halloween visit in which Kalel said he wanted to shoot Tiz). There are other examples but I would have to ask them if it is Ok to list them.

Admittedly, recently there seems to have been no contact. Perhaps they moved on to someone else?

Ann Otoole

FFS tizzers has been in college for how long?

zip paz

quit datamining

Ann Otoole

My brother changed his degree so many times he was able to leech off the GI Bill for 10 years lol.

Tyche Shepherd

Tut tut Ann - The answer to that question is part of Tizzer's personal details and can't be posted here ... Though here is a picture of their testimonial fob watch awarded for long service

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Also the JLU called the police on Rob:

There is no need to maintain the archive of information on N3X15 for standard viewing at this point. Information has been turned over to both the police and the Lindens, and it is largely now out of our hands.

Mad Mouse

Oh my, it's all open now?

ETA: Ah I see that's hosted by sl4me, my mistake

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