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Old 09-02-2011, 09:36 AM   #7926 (permalink)
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OH MY GOD THIS IS FROM THE OLD WIKI

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[18:05] Kalel Venkman: We currently have over 212 thousand registered citizens in our database.
[18:05] Jewelsy Walsh: just a few heh
[18:05] Kalel Venkman: That's how many avatars we've encountered in the past year and half since we started tracking them.
[18:05] Jeffrey Essex: whats a few 100,000s among friends


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[18:12] Kalel Venkman: I'm working on the letter to the Dean of Students at WU, and it's going to be more than a letter.
[18:12] Aine Night: forgive my lateness
[18:12] Samantha Lowell: (Five)
[18:12] Kalel Venkman: I have probably 30 or 40 pages of corroborative logs and other material to include.
[18:12] Samantha Lowell: Good
[18:12] GreenLantern Excelsior: I've been told that in the next few weeks, the "official" Woodbury sim will be purchased. That's where the classrooms will be.
[18:12] Kalel Venkman: Very extensive.
[18:12] Aine Night: waiting on rez and as usual I will remain quiet
[18:12] Hewee Zetkin: Wow.
[18:12] GreenLantern Excelsior: So what we've been looking at is just a volunteer effort I guess.
[18:12] Samantha Lowell: Paper is still the bes way of establishing credibility
[18:13] Kalel Venkman: Yes, I agree, Sam.

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[18:16] Samantha Lowell: Hre's the concern
[18:17] Samantha Lowell: Suppose Tizzers gets the boot yet again
[18:17] Samantha Lowell: We need to learn who or what Scout really is
[18:17] Kalel Venkman: He gets the boot every morning at about 10:30 am.
[18:17] Kohaku Owatatsumi: What is it going to take to keep this dungpile walking from unflushing himself again?
[18:17] Samantha Lowell: Me *brandishes mace*
[18:17] Kara Timtam: A new hobby?
[18:17] Kalel Venkman: I have a lot of information on Scout - not who he is, but things he's said.
[18:17] Kalel Venkman: It would curl your hair.
[18:18] Kalel Venkman: He's totally into the PN mindset.
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: Racist? Sexist? A lot of that is par for 4chan
[18:18] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Another for the Fire, then
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: Which means he's probably a teen with adequacy issues, if I know my 4channers
[18:18] Kalel Venkman: As well as spy games, et cetera.
[18:18] Kara Timtam: I have to wonder if he's someone we know by another PN name.
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: That was my thought, Kara
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: Mudkips?
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: Nexis?
[18:18] GreenLantern Excelsior: Scout told me he's going into the Army in September
[18:18] Kalel Venkman: Yes - claims to be in the United States Army, but we had a member who claimed to be a Connecticut State Trooper who turned out to be a 15 year old kid.
[18:18] Samantha Lowell: Yup
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: Oh.
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: He told me he was already in.
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: That might be interpretted to mean that he's been accepted.
[18:19] Kara Timtam: Busted already.
[18:19] Samantha Lowell: SO we have a lie to his credit
[18:19] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Well, I could always loose a pair of friends I have on him
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: Not a lie exactly.
[18:19] GreenLantern Excelsior: Enllisted but not going active until September maybe
[18:19] Kalel Venkman: It's somebody from the [CITY REMOVED] area, because he's made personal appearances at the real life Woodbury.
[18:20] Kara Timtam: Who else in the group has a military obsession? [18:20] Samantha Lowell: Codec I think
[18:20] Kara Timtam: Yaranaika makes Soviet and Nazi uniforms...?
[18:20] Samantha Lowell: Yu
[18:20] Kalel Venkman: Whether or not, I'd say it's most likely that he's been accepted, been told he's in.
[18:20] Hewee Zetkin: We think he is an existing PN because of what? Does he seem to be a practiced griefer or something?
[18:20] Kalel Venkman: We don't think he's existing PN.
[18:20] Kara Timtam: I was just speculating.
[18:20] Samantha Lowell: But he ceratinly fits teh profile
[18:21] Hewee Zetkin: Ah. Okay. Gotcha.
[18:21] Kalel Venkman: However, he behaves and thinks pretty much exactly as they do, no differences to speak of.
[18:21] Samantha Lowell: Given teh fact that teh PN have at least one other paid holding account, it's quite in teh realm of possibility Sout is one
[18:21] Kalel Venkman: This isn't just from hearsay, I have extensive Skype chatlogs.
[18:21] Samantha Lowell: Or at least an ally
[18:21] GreenLantern Excelsior: Is there a public website with some of his writings?
[18:21] Kalel Venkman: No - I looked.

[18:21] GreenLantern Excelsior: Or discussion board, etc.? [18:21] Samantha Lowell: 4chan I imagine
[18:21] Kalel Venkman: He never posts his real identity or contact information, which points to a 4channer.
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: If we could look for common threads on teh raiding boards
[18:22] Kalel Venkman: I mean, that points to him being a 4channer.
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: Say a unique phtase or a mention of enlisting
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: Not conclusive, but a start, to be sure
[18:22] GreenLantern Excelsior: He was talking about Army Intelligence and a CIA career later
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: Uh-huh
[18:22] GreenLantern Excelsior: This was all in Skype, BTW
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: Yup
[18:22] Samantha Lowell: Fifteen
[18:22] Hewee Zetkin: Eh. I don't tend to do that either unless it is a private channel of some sort. That's no proof of *chan involvement.
[18:23] Kalel Venkman: Oh, yes, well - they probably told him that.
[18:23] Kalel Venkman: They probably haven't told him he's going to spend the first three years on KP duty.
[18:23] Samantha Lowell: \Making grndiose claims like that?
[18:23] Samantha Lowell: Not someone old wenough to be realistic
[18:23] GreenLantern Excelsior: Heh
[18:23] Samantha Lowell: enough
[18:23] Kalel Venkman: Very probably a teenager himself.
[18:23] Kalel Venkman: Perhaps 19.
[18:23] GreenLantern Excelsior: Peel them pertaters, maggot!
[18:24] Kalel Venkman: Perhaps 20 at most.
[18:24] Samantha Lowell: That grandiose? Either he;s a delusional like Mudlips or a sociopath like Nexis
[18:24] Kohaku Owatatsumi: So - what can we do?
[18:24] Jeffrey Essex: or both
[18:24] Kalel Venkman: Actually, both of them were delusional AND sociopathic.
[18:24] Samantha Lowell: Yup
[18:24] Kalel Venkman: I'm working on a dossier to send to the Dean.
[18:24] Samantha Lowell: Mudkips was partially excused on teh basis of immarurity
[18:25] Kalel Venkman: We'll see what happens.
[18:25] Samantha Lowell: Ack
[18:25] Jeffrey Essex: oh sewll
[18:25] Samantha Lowell: We know of a Florida based account sympathetic to the PN and who HATES us- [NAME REMOVED]

[18:26] Kalel Venkman: Is there anything else we need to cover before we adjourn?
[18:26] Samantha Lowell: I wonder if a look at his friends associations might turn something up?
[18:26] Melanippe Karas smiles darkly
[18:26] Melanippe Karas: Florida based, eh?

[18:26] Kalel Venkman: If we had access to that.
[18:26] Samantha Lowell: Speculative, but it is a start
[18:26] Samantha Lowell: We can look at his group memberships, etc
[18:27] Samantha Lowell: My guess is that one of teh REALLY hard core "Anonymous" is in on this
[18:27] Kalel Venkman: I'll work on the dossier, putting in only that which I can prove (which is plenty). We'll see what we can do with this.
[18:27] Kara Timtam: Karma rides again!
[18:28] GreenLantern Excelsior: He joined the Merczateers too
[18:28] Kalel Venkman: I'm tired of just sitting back and letting them take inch after inch.
[18:28] Samantha Lowell: If Tizzers gets the boot, that may weaken this whole Longcat fiasco
[18:28] Aine Night: take it slow going back full time ok?
[18:28] Kalel Venkman: It would tear it down pretty fast.
[18:28] Kalel Venkman: If the money dries up, that'll be that.
[18:28] Kara Timtam: Right.
[18:28] Samantha Lowell: But this Scout is someone who needs careful scrutiny
[18:28] Kalel Venkman: Scout's basically a kid with too much disposable cash.[18:29] Kalel Venkman: I'm guessing the sim is his primary hobby.
[18:29] Sen Pixie: Yeah, must be rough, lol.
[18:29] Kalel Venkman: Scout's probably got a job someplace, paying for it, with few other expenses - which indicates that he lives at home.
[18:30] Kalel Venkman: His emotional maturity puts him at 18 - 19, he owns a sim, which means he can't be out on his own (or he wouldn't be able to afford a sim, not with the earning power one has at that age.)
[18:30] Kalel Venkman: Ergo, he lives with his parents - is just finishing high school, most likely, and has enlisted.

[18:31] Kalel Venkman: Most people who enlist out of high school don't have the grades to go to college.
[18:31] Samantha Lowell: Well, all I can say is, given that my toddler thrOr want to saty out of reach of the law, on occasion
[18:31] Melanippe Karas: He's probably got the same personality as that Marine that just got the boot.
[18:31] Samantha Lowell: Or bothy
[18:31] Samantha Lowell: Sorry
[18:31] Kara Timtam: Of course, no sim owners could be out on their own. <wry look>
[18:31] Samantha Lowell: Two sentences
[18:31] Melanippe Karas giggles
[18:31] Kalel Venkman: Since he's close enough to [TOWN REMOVED] to have visited Woodbury, that would make him a student at [SCHOOL REMOVED], [SCHOOL REMOVED], or possibly [SCHOOL REMOVED].
Had to remove some mindless chatter to make it fit in one post.
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I keep banging on about the ORIGINAL IP leak, because *this. story. makes. no. sense.*
And respects to Qie.

I'll put my voice to that too. As he said at the first, the original list looks like it steams.
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I just found 10 objects owned by Kalel Venkman on a sim I help to Estate Manage. They all appear to Remotly Monitor Chat, Launch Probes that Follow avatars and generally take up stupid ammount of script times. Could this be his Stupid JLU IP logging system?
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I just found 10 objects owned by Kalel Venkman on a sim I help to Estate Manage. The all appear to Remotly Monitor Chat, Launch Probes that Follow avatars and generally take up stupid ammount of script times. Could this be his Stupid JLU IP logging system?
Take pics right away, screenshots and post please, and then AR it rigth away.
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Take pics right away, screenshots and post please, and then AR it rigth away.
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I have a packet trace to share as I mentioned the other day. To avoid cluttering this thread (heaven forbid), I've opened a separate thread on it. Have a look...
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I just found 10 objects owned by Kalel Venkman on a sim I help to Estate Manage. They all appear to Remotly Monitor Chat, Launch Probes that Follow avatars and generally take up stupid ammount of script times. Could this be his Stupid JLU IP logging system?
Where? I'd like to see them...

How do you know they're chat spys?
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Let me add link here Kelly so no one misses it:Phantom Zone data
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OK here goes

Photo #1 is of a small Sphere called "OBJECT" It was hidden UNDER THE LAND, I actually had to teraform to find it.

Photo #2 is the same "OBJECT" & it's contents. The red cube (seen when you SHOW TRANSPARENT OBJECTS) is the what the "GET TOP SCRIPTS" button refers to as "PROBE". When i try to select it to view contents, it auto deletes. or it transports it's self up to 550M

Off to find the other 9 objects as seen on the "Get top scripts" window... will post pics and info soon
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Very different from what I've seen and posted about
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Ayep yep. AR it to hell and back. Best case it's a sim radar, using probes and llSensor to get the keys/names of people entering the sim (while hiding itself). Worst case it also relays chat.

AR Soft Linden, not Kalel.
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OK here goes

Photo #1 is of a small Sphere called "OBJECT" It was hidden UNDER THE LAND, I actually had to teraform to find it.

Photo #2 is the same "OBJECT" & it's contents. The red cube (seen when you SHOW TRANSPARENT OBJECTS) is the what the "GET TOP SCRIPTS" button refers to as "PROBE". When i try to select it to view contents, it auto deletes. or it transports it's self up to 550M

Off to find the other 9 objects as seen on the "Get top scripts" window... will post pics and info soon
Yes looks like the Conover´s secret agent chat spy probes or the radar ones. They name themselves objects.

I´ve had one since 2007 i bought out of curiosity and tested it with permition ofcourse. I can confirm this with screen shoots later to check the scripts to see if it´s the chat-spy or the radar.

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I just found 10 objects owned by Kalel Venkman on a sim I help to Estate Manage. They all appear to Remotly Monitor Chat, Launch Probes that Follow avatars and generally take up stupid ammount of script times. Could this be his Stupid JLU IP logging system?
why does that person have build/rez rights there? Or is that person using exploits to move stuff into the region?

Looks like a conover spy system. Is that the banned thing? abuse report as chat spies. Get 10 to 20 others to also abuse report it as chat spies.
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The next 2 photos are of object "S9". It appears that these objects are released from the "PROBE" Object on a timer (every 30 sec? but I am not counting) and then place them self stratigicly around the sim in order to Monitor Avatars, Chats, Media, and even some sort of a PING event?
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OK here goes

Photo #1 is of a small Sphere called "OBJECT" It was hidden UNDER THE LAND, I actually had to teraform to find it.

Photo #2 is the same "OBJECT" & it's contents. The red cube (seen when you SHOW TRANSPARENT OBJECTS) is the what the "GET TOP SCRIPTS" button refers to as "PROBE". When i try to select it to view contents, it auto deletes. or it transports it's self up to 550M

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The next 2 photos are of object "S9". It appears that these objects are released from the "PROBE" Object on a timer (every 30 sec? but I am not counting) and then place them self stratigicly around the sim in order to Monitor Avatars, Chats, Media, and even some sort of a PING event?
Holy shit
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The next 2 photos are of object "S9". It appears that these objects are released from the "PROBE" Object on a timer (every 30 sec? but I am not counting) and then place them self stratigicly around the sim in order to Monitor Avatars, Chats, Media, and even some sort of a PING event?
I think that´s the sim radar probes those will update it every X time in this case 30 secs, anyone here who has the system can test it. Or i can do it with you later. I sent Kelly the manual users notecard a few day ago.
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OH MY GOD THIS IS FROM THE OLD WIKI

Had to remove some mindless chatter to make it fit in one post.
All these meeting longs are very interesting. GreenLantern's line has always been that this information they store on the wiki isn't "private" because it can be found via google, but then you see them speculating on real life info on people like Scout, trying to analyse details to tie together loose ends and connect to information that can't be found anywhere.

This isn't always as simple as them them typing in their SL name into google and finding that they had a page where they willingly connected their SL name to a bunch of real life data. Sometimes they're drawing vague (and probably erroneous) conclusions to connect data, sometimes they're using information that was not posted and therefore not public at all (like private e-mails, or data given by friends), and sometimes they're connecting details in such a way to give a bigger picture that was not intended to be "public information"

And the other thing is, they: or at the very least Kalel and GreenLantern Excelsior, seem very very comfortable with using that data to blackmail, harass, and otherwise go well beyond being a "community watch" group.
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The group is even League of Heroes, which is the other JLU group that they made when they were afraid of getting shut down for copyright issues.
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The following 2 photos are from Object "S1" another sensor released form the "PROBE" object that auto dies after a set timer, then Replicates it's self all abouve 4000M on the sim

I am not going to post pics of objects S2 - S8 becuse they all appear to do the same thing as objects S1 and S9
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OK here goes

Photo #1 is of a small Sphere called "OBJECT" It was hidden UNDER THE LAND, I actually had to teraform to find it.

Photo #2 is the same "OBJECT" & it's contents. The red cube (seen when you SHOW TRANSPARENT OBJECTS) is the what the "GET TOP SCRIPTS" button refers to as "PROBE". When i try to select it to view contents, it auto deletes. or it transports it's self up to 550M

Off to find the other 9 objects as seen on the "Get top scripts" window... will post pics and info soon
Wow interesting. Funny how people give the prims ambigious names like "Object" but then give the scripts pretty descriptive names as to what those scripts functionality are. Script-names alone aren't proof, but that is pretty incriminating.
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Estate ban Kalel so he can't go into the sim and delete them.
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Estate ban Kalel so he can't go into the sim and delete them.
And adjenct sims the kill command is given tru HUD not sure it crosses sim bounderies.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:40 AM   #7950 (permalink)
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This is the last thing I'm saying to you ever. Robble's my friend. Dude has always been respectful to me.

You're an idiot. I don't care how Robble's upset you, because it's you who I don't like. You're rude, you can't read, and you judge everyone.

The only reason you looked up my info, was to brag about it here. That's stalking. Good for you, you're creepy.


I don't let people tell me who I should or shouldn't be friends with. I'm an individual and an adult. If people are going to judge me over my friends then those people can just fuck right off because I have a pretty damn good group of friends. I doubt you do Prok, and that's sad. I know I would never consider being your friend because you're nuts. You probably get that a lot whether or not people say it to your face.

The people who tell you who you can and can't be friends are controlling and often facists. They're paranoid. Paranoid enough to see a Robble Rubble fan group as being some super secret illuminati whatever the fuck. The JLU is quite good at telling people who their friends should and shouldn't be, maybe you could find some there if they ever decide youre not a griefer. In the meantime just fuck right off. God I hope your parents didnt consider you a respulsive disappointment.

Take care prok because this is the last think I'm ever saying to you. I hope you finally find and understand the definition a griefer AND UNDERSTAND IT. Bye
Word-salad and the usual ducking and weaving.

Pointing out that if you constantly associate with known griefers who are documented and visible as griefing, you yourself will be seen as a griefer and at least as an enabler and fellow-traveller isn't the same thing as telling you who your friends can and can't be.

It's telling you that your friends are griefers and you are tainted by them. Deal with it.

But of course, this is merely the classic w-hat "plausible deniability" shtick as I noted.

Um, it's not nuts to point out that hanging around with hands-on, documented, real-time griefers will taint you and make you not only be seen as an enabler, but a griefer yourself, aiding and abetting them by seeking to legitimize them.

The main thing the griefer craves is *legitimacy*. He wants to be able to disrupt society, destroy values, overturn civilization, but then still be *validated*.

So if you can do nothing else, the one thing you can do is refuse to confer legitimacy on griefers. So I don't.
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