JB Hancroft

And every moment of effort expended "at each other" is time not focused on the real problem: the practices of the JLU.

Joshua Nightshade

The thread is over six thousand posts long at the present moment. Discussing it is one thing, but nothing of value is going to come from one thread alone. Especially not one thread on an unaffiliated third party site.

After six thousand plus posts you should really just be happy that the last three thousand haven't been photos of cats with misspelt captions.

Frankly, someone wasting time thumping their chest about what a badass cop (or whatever she claims to be? I don't know, some cop secretary?) they are and claiming that they have an investigation going on and have secured a warrant is an irresponsible distraction that discredits the complaints of everyone else participating in the discussion. Kalel is already finding it easy to dismiss the thread because a chunk of it has been driven by people he feels are "griefers," it helps nothing if we all look at someone blatantly lying about legal investigations and say nothing about it because we don't like the target of her threats.

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Tux

Kalel dismisses it because he is in his own little world. But I agree, we should not be picking each other apart.

Lets wait patiently for another leak.

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Joshua Nightshade

Whatever chicken murderer, you aren't the boss of me.

Tux

Chicken murderer?

Joshua Nightshade

Murderer, molester, I don't know. Something about Prokofy and chickens? It's a griefing trifecta.

Don't think I'm not on to you all.

Tux

I have no idea what you are talking about young man.

Joshua Nightshade

THERE'S A WIKI.

Tux

Yes, and?

I am not sure I get your point?

Certainly my interactions with Prok are not noteworthy. Despite her claims. And I have no idea what you are talking about with chickens?

Joshua Nightshade

You're just supposed to be pressing the laugh button dude.

Innula Zenovka

I may be mistaken, but as I understand it from talking to people who've told me they need unlimited ban lists, even when an avatar is banned from SL and vanishes from Search, the name remains, completely redundantly, in ban lists.

No one I've spoken to has said they need ban lists comprising hundreds of active accounts; what they've all said is they don't like having to waste time searching their ban lists for accounts that no longer exist, or appear now to be inactive, and removing them manually.

If this is the case, then LL could resolve that problem very easily. Automatic removal of avatars from ban-lists when they vanish from Search (if this does not, in fact, happen) seems a no-brainer, and also I think giving the landowner the option automatically to remove from ban lists all accounts that haven't logged in during the last n months would a great boon.

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Elysium Hynes

Stop talking about CHIKIN cause Eku isin´t here

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Velvet Bikcin

I meant we saw a rainbow...geez.

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Cathiee McMillan

Some information on the ability for law enforcement to obtain warrants to hack into computers.

They could have used this to apply for the warrants.

Follower

From a Realpolitik point of view, the Patriot Act is federal law enforcement's ace in the hole. They wouldn't risk getting the act repealed because they abused it to ham-fistedly investigate claims of stalking on a forum.

Innula Zenovka

I think you meant to say.

"Mr President, someone in Arizona has been abusing the Patriot Act to ham-fistedly investigate claims of stalking on a forum!"

"Good God! We can't have that! Better set about repealing the damn thing forthwith!"

Cathiee McMillan

If you have the time read thu this article on cyber crime.
I believe the law enforcement was able to get a warrant for a computer hack which is much like a wiretap. this is all in the discovery phase to see if they should continue pushing forward on getting the actual data. Since this wiki isn't on Ka'els computer the way they go about it is a bit different.

http://www.moreilly.com/CISSP/DomA-2...estigation.pdf

Elysium Hynes

From what i have been reading it needs to exist a clear threat for any cyberstalking to be looked at.

Qie Niangao

There are some relevant jiras. For example, one would automagically poof dead accounts from banlists, and another that would expire suspended accounts. I'm not too enthused about these because scripts can't tell what's happened to a banlist, and it's not clear how a script can reliably determine that an account is defunct, so if a banlist is at all managed by a script, it will be apt to keep trying to repopulate the purged accounts.

It would seem pretty simple for a script to keep the most recently effective bans in place and stay under the current limit by retiring older ones that haven't been seen recently. If systems don't do that already, I don't understand why not.

Now, I realize there's the complication that Estate bans can't be managed by script (during those occasional intervals of SL history when Estate bans work at all), but hanging more unscripted complexity onto the creaking Estate ban contraption can't be the right approach to that problem.

Joshua Nightshade

I highly doubt — and simultaneously hope — that the FBI (which Cummere has never claimed to work for or with, her vague job insinuations have referred to Sheriff Arpaio alone) is not using anti-terrorism legislation to go after creepy seniors who roleplay being superheroes on a video game.

If somehow I'm wrong and a warrant was obtained and an investigation is underway, it seems to me that there would be no reason Cummere cannot speak with me and provide the names of the officers I need to speak to in order to turn over the information she suggested they had requested in order to escalate this investigation up the chain.

My PMs are, as always, open.

Arilynn

I missed this as well.

I don't know much about police work, but isn't it not permitted to discuss a case as it is developing? Even if it is someone's pet project and not an official investigation (BTW, what exactly does that mean? One can get a warrant for a pet project?), how can it be permissible to talk about it on a public forum?

And what was the basis for the warrant? It couldn't have been HIPAA as that only applies to medical professions ("covered entities" in the quote below):
Here's a link to an explanation of the term "covered entities": Link. It explains that it affects, for example, clinic workers, HMOs, and government employees who work with Medicaid. It doesn't apply to anyone else or newspapers would not be able to report on public figure's health problems.

The warrant couldn't have been due to COPPA as that concerns sites that collect information from children and not just any site that collects information about children.

Again, if this were not the case, newspapers would be unable to mention minors without the consent of their parents. Think about both of these laws for a moment: If they applied in the JLU's case, anyone organization that kept medical information on people or mentioned kids' names would be breaking the law, starting with news organizations and encompassing all sorts of blogs and websites.

The only way this adds up is through a blatant abuse of police authority, which seems highly unlikely.

Innula Zenovka

I think we're looking at this from two different angles. One thing that struck me when unlimited ban lists came up in discussions with people who used RedZone was that they weren't interested in banning alts of people they'd banned, particularly, and they certainly weren't interested in getting them banned from anywhere else, and if it were possible simply to use the parcel or estate tools to ban them from your own land and forget about them, without any scripted assistance, they'd far prefer to it that way.

I don't really see, though, why any existing scripted banlist solution would try to repopulate parcel or region banlists. They normally work by detecting the presence of a banned avatar, removing him, and then putting him on the parcel banlist for only a matter of hours, so they don't have to go through the process of removing him again if he tries immediately to return a couple of times before realising he'd better go elsewhere or create an alt.

IOW, an existing system, if it's sanely scripted, would only try to repopulate the list if people return, which they won't if they're banned from SL or the accounts are inactive.

I guess what I'm saying is that, at least in most cases, if you didn't have to worry about pruning your banlists manually every few months, you probably wouldn't have any use for a scripted solution of any sort, other than conventional security orbs.

Cummere Mayo

I just want to point out 1) I never said there wasn't an open investigation. In fact I said the opposite. There is an open one. I stated it was mostly a pet project at this point and wouldn't move much further till victims starting making complaints. Check my past posts.
2) I never said that innocent and seemingly unaware victims wouldn't get contacted.
3) Some people here (like prok, joshua, and angela, seem to think that an open investigation on these kinds of issues means things happen immediately. Sometimes--let me stress that again--Sometimes that is the case. If you have few other cases, people actively applying pressure, multiple complaints, stacks of evidence, and all the identities and contact info of enough of the players, and most importantly reason to believe people are in immediate danger. This is certainly not one of those times.
Yes there is a good bit of evidence of wrong doing, and we do have at least a handful of victims here. That's not in dispute. However, there is not evidence of anyone in life threatening danger, and the people I turned this over to have a very big case load and many of those cases do involve people that ARE in immediate danger.
It's also very hard to get a prosecutor to even look at a case like this without multiple people filing complaints. In this thread two victims said they didn't and likely wouldn't be.
4) I'm not part of the investigation. I simply turned stuff over to someone else. The looked at it, got a warrant, and I have absolutely no idea what has been done since. Why would I?

Joshua Nightshade

People don't obtain warrants over frivolous, flippant "oh I don't plan to do anything with this, I was bored" investigations. Are you familiar with the legal system, by chance?

If a warrant was obtained, I am extremely interested -- and willing -- to speak with the individual who sought it out in order to provide him a statement as one of the individuals far more directly impacted by the JLU than, let's say, you.

I expect I will be receiving contact information shortly.