Trasee Darkwatch

I'm in a list from GLE. Does this mean that my inclusion into their wiki is imminent?

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Potosi

Well if you were in GZ at the right time you could have gotten added to the Voodoo ban list manually. That's how I got on one! Not sure if I'm on any other though, I'm sure there are a few thinking about adding me.

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Arilynn

I agree. I think he often plays the good cop to some of the JLU's bad cops, but it is, as he himself has said, simply a ploy to get more information on those he is interacting with. In both these SL situations and in some RL stuff that has been discussed elsewhere, it appears he firmly believes the ends justify all means and that there are three categories of people: The worthy he thinks are law abiding, the worthless he thinks are law breakers, and the lofty few who enforce the select laws they champion with whatever tactics they deem necessary.

He knows what he is doing. He just expects that others won't see it if he maintains a certain facade.

Kara Spengler

True. They do charitable things, but those are so massively offset by the bad stuff that they barely get a nod by people who support JLU.

I found the use of stats amusing though. Would anyone maybe take objection if I said RFL/SL8B/any big SL event was not popular because most of the accounts that existed did not go to it?

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Asher Bertrand

Noted. I knew there was a reason I never liked that shit.

eta ... although, the idea of Clark Kent Superman Kal-El trying to shut down the press, that is amusing.

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Casey Pelous

Got it.

meh ....kind of a weak case, I think, since it doesn't reveal the methodology, but it might work!

I note a pattern with these guys -- they're really good at weasel wording and tiptoeing around the TOS. In fact, in lots of these leaks they "sound" like people who know there is a bug in the room. Like Nixon: "Yes, we could do that. *leans over to hidden microphone* But it would be WRONG!"

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DeNovo Broome

At this point I'm sure it would be recording all sorts of things I'd prefer it didn't.

For instance, think about where you log in your alts? Tend to log them in "at home," in a private home area?

My, woudn't it be interesting to see who logs in where? Not conclusive, of course... but all intel gathering works with inconclusive information.

Eunoli Rain

Passing information on alts without permission of the user is against TOS, no matter how its detected, guessed or rumored. Under the Community Standards, #4:

Community Standards | Second Life

A HUD that passes this information out inside SL is in clear violation of TOS.

Ann Otoole

Alt identification services are a TOS violation under disclosure. If there was hard data evidence you could what? File a SEC jira? Complain on forums besides LL's forum? What? What could be done about it? LL has known of this for years.

Economic Engineer

Oh yeah, that's maverick grunfeld's alt. I've seen him using it before.

http://wb.gemnetworks.com/8/Brainiac...fault_835.html

You'd think they'd use alts that weren't in the original leak.

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Gomi Mfume

here i am, expressing distaste for the JLU.

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Chapel

Thanks. Added you to the trollmanual earlier today, just as my own way of saying thanks for what you're doing.

Mad Mouse

I wish I knew, but good mews everyone!

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Artemis Fate

To be fair, Punisher is literally a nutcase, all the characters treat him like one, and he behaves like one. Rorschach and Comedian were the same way, and they're deliberate commentary on that.

But a lot of the DC core characters have a very black and white morality spectrum, not really believing in a "gray area".

The comic "Red Son", I think really analyzes Superman's way of thought really well, he goes so far to save the world, that he basically ends up enslaving it to make sure everything is preserved and protected. Anyone who acts out is brainwashed and turned into a "Superman robot", to be brought back into being a "normal member" of his society.

In that sense, Kalel Venkman does a LOT of justice to emulating Superman.

Tux

I see Vagabond is reading perhaps he would like to comment on the recent leaks?

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Economic Engineer

I'll comment for him.

"Vagabond Carter: it has meen made perfectly clear, by your own actions, that any further comments from myself will only be twisted , So I’ll pass, execpt to say this: Tux’s “experamental radar” was and is not at all like any personal radar . Those devices you chose to compare it to do not post the information on a publically viewable website, nore do they operate grid wide. The choice to ‘blacklist’ you was based on those facts and yes,while not agains ToS per say, the intent was clear. As to whom we list as a Griefer, I see no reasoin that should have to be justified to anyone . We have the right to mark whomever, whatever and we are accountable to no one but ourselves in that. Just as a landowner needen get anyones ‘permission’ before adding a name to thier Banlist, Good bye , McGinnis."

Walker

I'm not right-wing at all, but I liked Rorschach a lot. I think it had a lot to do with the depth and intensity of his character.

Also, me and Joshua didn't make GLE's list. I wonder how many other people were missed out of that bizarre take on his own lolstistics. It also seems to have escaped him that in-world stalking in response to threads like this, "friendly advice" not to continue posting in them, and documented interference in people's real lives will (surprise!) result in some people not expressing their opinions.

One of the positives for those running protection rackets is that many bystanders will naturally be afraid to speak out, particularly if their methods involve real-life stalking, blackmail and coercion.

Debi Dastardly

I must have to much time on my hands today, but why isnt there a Space Ghost character in the JLU?

Also I have failed to make the list again too. I strive to be objective in my post but I think I have made it clear I am opposed to data mining peoples real life info or what alts they use on Second Life. Any group who is doing this I am opposed to, no matter how they do it.

The IP harvesting thing being proven isn't an issue for me. What is an issue is the JLU making and keeping real life data on people. And the hypocrisy involved when they claim to be watching out for we the (little people) You what? I'll say it again, I"m a big girl I can file ARs and look out for myself.

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Tracer Graves

Yeah once you press him enough on his stated positions long enough, you will see him break his facade. In an environment where his facade has been dropped in front of enough people, he will only sporadically take it up. That's been my experience at least.

The guy is a snake.

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Inhandra

Since we have someone wanting to COUNT HEADS, I suppose I'll go on the record as saying I do not approve of the JLU. Now, I shall return to lurking.

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Velvet Bikcin

I'm not on that list either, and I'm a pretty active and strident member of this thread.

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Economic Engineer

Well then you're obviously an alt of Tizzers Foxchase and Tux Winkler!

Casey Pelous

Yes. The problem is what we have precisely in hand at the moment is evidence of a HUD that is NOT passing information, just trying.

Had it passed a name, then there'd be something actionable. I seem to recall that in the rZ Affair, the AR's had to come from people whose alts had been revealed.

Tracer Graves

That was just his listing from him reading 15 pages of a 200+ page thread

Tracer Graves

Well, maybe we don't have someone to take action, but the mere fact that we show the database as having fields for IP and alt tracking along with a JLU wiki screenshot of that functionality shows that there is alt detection running.