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Old 08-26-2011, 06:13 PM   #5151 (permalink)
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It isn't an alt. They just gave me back the account they got suspended back in May.
I think i nixed you from my FL in world Ryo. Add me again <3 and be good! lol
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On a side note. Is anyone still getting harrassed by Dieandra aka The The inworld? If so are you ARing them?

I still think it's rather odd that anyone the JLU goes after seems to get banned rather quickly while this person is still allowed. They have IM harrassed many of us over and over, several of us (including me) have ARed them and right now he is showing up as inworld. Really, REALLY starting to wonder if maybe they do have an extra Linden or two in their pockets that are making some things happen faster.
Actually - the 'not banned yet' in this particular case seems to fit what I'll hereafter call the 'RedZone Pattern' - or what others here have described as 'giving them enough rope to hang themselves'.

But then, I'm a perpetual optimist .
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Angela,

They didn't have "behaviour". They had *plans*. An inflated scenario they hyped to their clients. But not *actions*. That's important to remember. Habeus corpus and all that.

BTW, Tux Winkler and Robble Rubble Rabble Raser and some of the other characters in this thread from What/Woodbury/PN/btard/pretendwerenotgriefers have all been *banned from Second Life*.

That suggests "for cause," as the Lindens banned them finally.

Kalel Venkman isn't banned. That suggests that the Lindens haven't found a cause yet.
And you have been officially listed as a griefer by the JLU. So why do you still participate in SL? Shouldn't you be banned or something for being labeled as a griefer?

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... I'd sure like to know how the "strength" of resident_alt_resident is derived.
There's this little face-doohickey that... ah, it's hard to describe.

Here, easier to just show you...

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Wow. Impressive. Even if they had not identified your alts, you guys are doing it for them. o.O
Actually they haven't identified any of my alts... not even the one I thought was obvious.
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It isn't an alt. They just gave me back the account they got suspended back in May.
lol. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to all the people listing the various nyms from that db list. If I were kalel, I'd be sitting there going, damn, I should have "leaked" this thing long ago.
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lol. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to all the people listing the various nyms from that db list. If I were kalel, I'd be sitting there going, damn, I should have "leaked" this thing long ago.
Fortunately, Sneezy; Sleepy; Dopey; Doc; Happy; Bashful and Grumpy Resident aren't listed, so all my Alts are safe!
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So? The proper response would be ignoring it. If he's not dead he'll pop up later and you can tell everyone how you didn't fall for it. ...


We'd been serially griefed by this person as well... and had the same initially incredulous impression of his reported demise as others familiar with his character/antics have had.

But the quote above perfectly describes our response to the news.
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I have to try harder or something. Didn't even get a listing... ah well. What I did find funny was these two names right beside each other.

TheBoris Gothly personage 2011-03-16 13:06:39
zFire Xue personage 2011-03-16 13:03:09

Of course we all knew they were the same person and it became very obvious on the day they got banned.
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Oh but we can type in JLU to see if there are any group members that we not know of with this list. Later I may have to crossreference this with the list that was posted the other day.

Oh and I didn't know the evidently the last name Scout was for Lindens only, but it sure looks that way.

Kaylee Linden is listed as Friend. Trinity is also, Plexus of course, Michael and Michaelfrancis, Hermia, Lexia, Frontier, spike, socrates, Jose, Torley, Teeple, Lucy, George, Nicole...

Well now we know how they get shit done.

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damnit. im not one of the cool kids... *hangs head in shame* STILL not on the shit list....
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Oh but we can type in JLU to see if there are any group members that we not know of with this list. Later I may have to crossreference this with the list that was posted the other day.

Oh and I didn't know the evidently the last name Scout was for Lindens only, but it sure looks that way.

Kaylee Linden is listed as Friend. Trinity is also, Plexus of course, Michael and Michaelfrancis, Hermia, Lexia, Frontier, spike, socrates, Jose, Torley, Teeple, Lucy, George, Nicole...

Well now we know how they get shit done.
Though I do wonder if friend also includes those who (merely) talked civilly to them.
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Though I do wonder if friend also includes those who (merely) talked civilly to them.
Well Soft Linden wasn't listed as a friend and from what we've seen he talked civilly with them a few times.
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I'm no "provincial" as you so dismissively refer to the rest of members of this forum. I've been a working journalist for the last 20+ years, until my breast cancer diagnosis last year -- you'd be amused to know that one of the major newspaper groups in the country has a history of firing employees on extended medical leave. I can share that story with you some other time.

Asking questions isn't the problem, it's how you disseminate the answers you get.

You wear a lot of hats, Prokovy: hard news/investigative journalist, op/ed writer, gossip columnist, conspiracy theorist.

And that's the problem people have with your credibility. Most journalists stick to one specialty. As a landlord, you are far too involved personally with the subject(s) you "report" on. Your "reporting" flails widely between being responsible journalism, grudge bait and some kind of freelance PR for the John Birch Society.

For the record, I am just as disgusted with the JLU as I am with the extreme griefing that brought the JLU into existence. I would like to see Linden Lab take responsibility, as it should have done years ago, and police the grid with its own staff, instead of relying on residents to do it for them. (which, admittedly, may happen when hell freezes over)

You are misunderstanding what residents are up in arms about: it's not IP harvesting or alt detection -- it's the manual collection of personal RL information, for purposes unknown, violating privacy laws of many jurisdictions, American and international.

I know you are all too familiar with the tactics of the KGB. If you read the summary thread of this thread, you'd see that there is physical evidence that the JLU has been amassing files on SL residents -- not just people known for griefing, but people who simply disagree with their policing methods.

Now I'm sure if I even a deem any response from you, it will fall along the lines of your classic dismissive "and you are?" But I would be more than happy to try to have a reasonable discussion with you away from this thread about the situation at hand.
People who try to use RL information about their hardships, illnesses, etc. to trump arguments on the Internet are pathetic.

Hence, you are pathetic.

Having a blog isn't "wearing different hats". It's just having a blog. I write about Second Life and I'm critical of griefers and various factions there. That's not being a conspiracy theorist, it's just criticism. It isn't 'anti-intellectual' to criticize geeks; in fact, it's pro-intellectual.

For wildly hysterical leftists, "progressives" and outright socialists such as you find mainly on SLuniverse, apparently any criticism of their criticism feels like "the John Birth Society" or "Sarah Palin" or whatever. I don't care. It's childish.

I didn't misunderstand *fuck-all* sweetheart. I got it. I got it the first 100 times, and I got it back years ago when people who were beloved by Cristiano and Sluniverse *did the same damn thing* in Ban-Link.

Gathering data on people to out their alts, "get something" on them. And settle scores.

If the privacy laws of the EU or the US or any jurisdiction or violated, well, file a complaint? Sitting on a forums fuming and sleuthing will not get the job done.

I'm also not getting a single case here. Oh, we had Deadly -- he's dead. We had Tux at work -- he himself doesn't care. Erm, anything else? You're confirming the paucity of the *cases* here.

Again, what's happening here is that a lot of griefers, the butt-end remains of Woodbury, the PNs/b-tards/w-hat/evers, are weeping and wailing because the Lindens seem to be continuing to clean house. They've been banned despite flying below the radar. So they are kicking up a huge fuss about Kalel and the JLU to distract from that, and trying to get the community on their side.

The JLU isn't a good thing, either, but griefers are worse in many ways, particularly because they engage in cunning (and sometimes just stupid) distraction and denial campaigns -- like this one.

If Kalel and Green Zone or Phantom Zone or Zone Zone are found to violate the TOS, the Lindens will deal with it. But...one thing I may agree with Tux on -- Soft Linden may be exceeding his authority here (although if something was finally found *for cause* to ban Tux, who has been maliciously delighting in flying below the radar for aeons, great). So I think higher Lindens with less ideology and less compromise should deal with it.

As for this "amassing files on SL residents -- not just people known for griefing, but people who simply disagree with their policing methods" -- well, um, yeah, right. Quite a few of these "people who disagree with their policing methods" are themselves griefers who just haven't been seen as such by the people in this thread. I've had a number of them harass me and my tenants so I'm skeptical that we're dealing with some massive and profound slander of innocence here.

Sharia Court Sluniverse is no better than the JLU. It is a posse of people with torches and pitchforks who assemble at the edge of the forest in the dead of night and go out lynch-mobbing people they don't like. They are exactly the same. They bully and harass people endlessly to try to run them out of town. They try to gather dirt on people and try them in absentia without due process. They are exactly the same. They deserve each other.

I would say leave it to the Lindens. Their record is spotty, but they have less of an agenda than any other party inworld.
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The HBGary Federal "hack" was a combination of an SE, SQL injection, and brute force. The latter using rainbow tables to try to determine passwords listed in the rootkit customer database, which was in turn published. The debacle was rather appalling considering HBGary were in iSec (i.e., they should have known better).

Furthermore, it's hardly "whistleblowing" when you're publishing the company's client usernames and passwords. While there were no credit card info for them to also commit credit card fraud in this particular case, the group released not only the database of usernames and passwords, but did a dox dump of executive emails without first vetting them. This included releasing stuxnet, etc.

Either way, definitely illegal and definitely not about "whistleblowing." They simply got lucky that they happened to have hacked into a company that was engaging in highly questionable behavior.

This is what frustrates me about the current situation with the JLU. So-called "griefers" wouldn't be griefers at all if they weren't more oftne than not ... for lack of a better term, "in it for the lulz."

Leaking client names and passwords and credit card numbers is going to get you in trouble (and endangers people who have no connection to the company you have a grudge against). Leaking confidential emails that prove (I'm using a hypothetical) a company is using its clients' personal information nefariously, that's whistleblowing.

Leaking the contact information of rank-and-file law enforcement officers, like Lulzsec did, is misdirected (and endangers more people than just the officers themselves). Leaking documents that prove (I'm using a hypothetical) that Arizona Police leadership is intentionally racially profiling and harassing law abiding citizens, that's whistleblowing.

Move past the high school D&D chaotic neutral persona and use your skills to help journalists and government officials who don't have the technical knowledge or resources to acquire that kind of information, but who have the knowledge and resources to properly report and act on the information.
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Prokofy you are an awful person.

Did you really just call Astolat pathetic for bringing up her medical condition which was quite related due to allegations of the JLU gathering medical info? You are an inexcusable monstrosity of a human being.
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People who try to use RL information about their hardships, illnesses, etc. to trump arguments on the Internet are pathetic.

Hence, you are pathetic.
She wasn't using it to trump her argument, it was related to her statement that she was a journalist. Do you honestly wonder why everyone hates you?
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People who try to use RL information about their hardships, illnesses, etc. to trump arguments on the Internet are pathetic.

Hence, you are pathetic.
Okay, sweetheart, I get you loud and clear.

I wasn't using my RL to "trump arguments on the Internet" -- I was just trying to open up a dialogue with you.

Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish by being so abrasive.
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People who try to use RL information about their hardships, illnesses, etc. to trump arguments on the Internet are pathetic.

Hence, you are pathetic.
This woman has been nothing but impartial and unbiased in her views of this thread. She asked questions. She didn't pick up a pitchfork. She has brought up many excellent points.

You on the other hand have been doing nothing in this thread besides being an angry hateful troll.
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Prokofy you are an awful person.

Did you really just call Astolat pathetic for bringing up her medical condition which was quite related due to allegations of the JLU gathering medical info? You are an inexcusable monstrosity of a human being.
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She wasn't using it to trump her argument, it was related to her statement that she was a journalist. Do you honestly wonder why everyone hates you?
You're wasting your time.

Trying to appeal to the humanity of someone who so blatantly lacks any understanding of what it means to be one is pointless.
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Come on folks. MUTE her. I did. The thread is much better that way. She doesn't deserve to have her comments read much less commented on. Please, just mute her and forget she ever posted.

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Oh and I didn't know the evidently the last name Scout was for Lindens only, but it sure looks that way.
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