Vergil Hellershanks

I think i nixed you from my FL in world Ryo. Add me again <3 and be good! lol

Aaes

Congrats, Ryokashi! True justice prevails.

Dontspill McGinnis

Welcome back Ryo!

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Tengu Yamabushi

Actually - the 'not banned yet' in this particular case seems to fit what I'll hereafter call the 'RedZone Pattern' - or what others here have described as 'giving them enough rope to hang themselves'.

But then, I'm a perpetual optimist .

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Kiddoh

And you have been officially listed as a griefer by the JLU. So why do you still participate in SL? Shouldn't you be banned or something for being labeled as a griefer?

Stop being superficial, it will do you a world of good.

Tengu Yamabushi

There's this little face-doohickey that... ah, it's hard to describe.

Here, easier to just show you...

Ashiri

Actually they haven't identified any of my alts... not even the one I thought was obvious.

Angela Talamasca

lol. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to all the people listing the various nyms from that db list. If I were kalel, I'd be sitting there going, damn, I should have "leaked" this thing long ago.

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Dontspill McGinnis

Fortunately, Sneezy; Sleepy; Dopey; Doc; Happy; Bashful and Grumpy Resident aren't listed, so all my Alts are safe!

Gabriell Anatra

One of the fiercest battles of his career, no doubt.

Tengu Yamabushi

We'd been serially griefed by this person as well... and had the same initially incredulous impression of his reported demise as others familiar with his character/antics have had.

But the quote above perfectly describes our response to the news.

Potosi

I have to try harder or something. Didn't even get a listing... ah well. What I did find funny was these two names right beside each other.

TheBoris Gothly personage 2011-03-16 13:06:39
zFire Xue personage 2011-03-16 13:03:09

Of course we all knew they were the same person and it became very obvious on the day they got banned.

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Potosi

Oh but we can type in JLU to see if there are any group members that we not know of with this list. Later I may have to crossreference this with the list that was posted the other day.

Oh and I didn't know the evidently the last name Scout was for Lindens only, but it sure looks that way.

Kaylee Linden is listed as Friend. Trinity is also, Plexus of course, Michael and Michaelfrancis, Hermia, Lexia, Frontier, spike, socrates, Jose, Torley, Teeple, Lucy, George, Nicole...

Well now we know how they get shit done.

Vergil Hellershanks

damnit. im not one of the cool kids... *hangs head in shame* STILL not on the shit list....

Ashiri

Though I do wonder if friend also includes those who (merely) talked civilly to them.

Potosi

Well Soft Linden wasn't listed as a friend and from what we've seen he talked civilly with them a few times.

Prokofy Neva

People who try to use RL information about their hardships, illnesses, etc. to trump arguments on the Internet are pathetic.

Hence, you are pathetic.

Having a blog isn't "wearing different hats". It's just having a blog. I write about Second Life and I'm critical of griefers and various factions there. That's not being a conspiracy theorist, it's just criticism. It isn't 'anti-intellectual' to criticize geeks; in fact, it's pro-intellectual.

For wildly hysterical leftists, "progressives" and outright socialists such as you find mainly on SLuniverse, apparently any criticism of their criticism feels like "the John Birth Society" or "Sarah Palin" or whatever. I don't care. It's childish.

I didn't misunderstand *fuck-all* sweetheart. I got it. I got it the first 100 times, and I got it back years ago when people who were beloved by Cristiano and Sluniverse *did the same damn thing* in Ban-Link.

Gathering data on people to out their alts, "get something" on them. And settle scores.

If the privacy laws of the EU or the US or any jurisdiction or violated, well, file a complaint? Sitting on a forums fuming and sleuthing will not get the job done.

I'm also not getting a single case here. Oh, we had Deadly -- he's dead. We had Tux at work -- he himself doesn't care. Erm, anything else? You're confirming the paucity of the *cases* here.

Again, what's happening here is that a lot of griefers, the butt-end remains of Woodbury, the PNs/b-tards/w-hat/evers, are weeping and wailing because the Lindens seem to be continuing to clean house. They've been banned despite flying below the radar. So they are kicking up a huge fuss about Kalel and the JLU to distract from that, and trying to get the community on their side.

The JLU isn't a good thing, either, but griefers are worse in many ways, particularly because they engage in cunning (and sometimes just stupid) distraction and denial campaigns -- like this one.

If Kalel and Green Zone or Phantom Zone or Zone Zone are found to violate the TOS, the Lindens will deal with it. But...one thing I may agree with Tux on -- Soft Linden may be exceeding his authority here (although if something was finally found *for cause* to ban Tux, who has been maliciously delighting in flying below the radar for aeons, great). So I think higher Lindens with less ideology and less compromise should deal with it.

As for this "amassing files on SL residents -- not just people known for griefing, but people who simply disagree with their policing methods" -- well, um, yeah, right. Quite a few of these "people who disagree with their policing methods" are themselves griefers who just haven't been seen as such by the people in this thread. I've had a number of them harass me and my tenants so I'm skeptical that we're dealing with some massive and profound slander of innocence here.

Sharia Court Sluniverse is no better than the JLU. It is a posse of people with torches and pitchforks who assemble at the edge of the forest in the dead of night and go out lynch-mobbing people they don't like. They are exactly the same. They bully and harass people endlessly to try to run them out of town. They try to gather dirt on people and try them in absentia without due process. They are exactly the same. They deserve each other.

I would say leave it to the Lindens. Their record is spotty, but they have less of an agenda than any other party inworld.

Astolat Dufaux

This is what frustrates me about the current situation with the JLU. So-called "griefers" wouldn't be griefers at all if they weren't more oftne than not ... for lack of a better term, "in it for the lulz."

Leaking client names and passwords and credit card numbers is going to get you in trouble (and endangers people who have no connection to the company you have a grudge against). Leaking confidential emails that prove (I'm using a hypothetical) a company is using its clients' personal information nefariously, that's whistleblowing.

Leaking the contact information of rank-and-file law enforcement officers, like Lulzsec did, is misdirected (and endangers more people than just the officers themselves). Leaking documents that prove (I'm using a hypothetical) that Arizona Police leadership is intentionally racially profiling and harassing law abiding citizens, that's whistleblowing.

Move past the high school D&D chaotic neutral persona and use your skills to help journalists and government officials who don't have the technical knowledge or resources to acquire that kind of information, but who have the knowledge and resources to properly report and act on the information.

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Ryokashi

Prokofy you are an awful person.

Did you really just call Astolat pathetic for bringing up her medical condition which was quite related due to allegations of the JLU gathering medical info? You are an inexcusable monstrosity of a human being.

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[16:30] PiddlesDiddles: ZenMondo, regardless by staying with the group you are responsible for their actions as a whole.
[16:31] ZenMondo Wormser: Then every catholic person is responsible for the priests that molest children? Just making an analogy you can't judge an entire membership because of the actions of a few
[16:32] Sione Lomu: Well fuck yeah if the whole congregation knew the priest was doing it I would blame them. Holy shit you are crazy

Code Slacker

She wasn't using it to trump her argument, it was related to her statement that she was a journalist. Do you honestly wonder why everyone hates you?

Astolat Dufaux

Okay, sweetheart, I get you loud and clear.

I wasn't using my RL to "trump arguments on the Internet" -- I was just trying to open up a dialogue with you.

Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish by being so abrasive.

Robble Rubble

This woman has been nothing but impartial and unbiased in her views of this thread. She asked questions. She didn't pick up a pitchfork. She has brought up many excellent points.

You on the other hand have been doing nothing in this thread besides being an angry hateful troll.

Gabriell Anatra

You're wasting your time.

Trying to appeal to the humanity of someone who so blatantly lacks any understanding of what it means to be one is pointless.

Potosi

Come on folks. MUTE her. I did. The thread is much better that way. She doesn't deserve to have her comments read much less commented on. Please, just mute her and forget she ever posted.

EVEN THE JLU KNEW THIS: Prokofy Neva griefer 2008-08-11 02:49:19

Evola

I believe both Startek and Scout are support accounts. A few Ontyne's are listed too, but not as Lindens that I saw