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Old 08-25-2011, 10:18 AM   #4276 (permalink)
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I know, this is how my main was suspended too. That is what they mass AR people for constantly. I tried to get my main restored with a state-issued college ID but they said that was not good enough. Apparently I must be some kind of 14 year old college genius.

Well, just to bother Kalel by existing, I may actually try and get my account back now!
Funny that is not the reason you gave for your last account being suspended in Green Zone Users group chat. You clearly said that the reason given was disclosing chat on a 3rd party website (I personally find this unlikely). Either you were lying then, or you are lying now, which is it?
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:23 AM   #4277 (permalink)
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Funny that is not the reason you gave for your last account being suspended in Green Zone Users group chat. You clearly said that the reason given was disclosing chat on a 3rd party website (I personally find this unlikely). Either you were lying then, or you are lying now, which is it?
I hardly think the JLU is in a position to take any moral high ground in this thread.
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Funny that is not the reason you gave for your last account being suspended in Green Zone Users group chat. You clearly said that the reason given was disclosing chat on a 3rd party website (I personally find this unlikely). Either you were lying then, or you are lying now, which is it?
He´s lying less than you when you said there where no files as far as you knew on the wiki about green zone members, btw why do you associate with a group of griefers?

Btw: why not tell us what you and your buddies ARed him for since you know so much about it?
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In the talk page on Robble, when asked about rl location, "why do we care?", the answers given were knowledge is power IF violations happened they would go to the authorities; to demystify Robble, knowing his real location, it makes him "less frightening"; and to "determine his potential for troublesome activity in real life"
So it's nothing else than collecting blackmail material. Just what the Stasi did back then with all the info gathered via their "unofficial informants" who spied on family members, class mates, colleagues, neighbors and friends.

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What's really sad here is that there's such... how do I say it, deep seated hatred.
In my case, it is indeed hatred. I know my (quite thick, though court-irrelevant) Stasi dossier, and how my family and I was spied on by people we trusted, people who were believing to do the right thing. I had friends who were sent to jail with made-up accusations because they spoke up against that spying, just like anyone in the States would go to jail if they were accused to be a "terrorist".
Do I want to have anything like that in SL? OF COURSE NOT!


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Wow, this wikia article is really outdated...
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Not only outdated, also one-sided.

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Oh. I didn't realize you asked this in a public location as well.
So just for your info: Just because something is posted in a pub lic forum, this doesn't mean it's public domain.
Here in Germany, anyone quoting or paraphrasing text that has been published somewhere else HAVE TO add the author and the exact source (on the interwebs: the exact link to blog post, article, forum post etc; in RL: on books: title, ISBN, page, paragraph; on newspapers: title, issue, page, paragraph) and with pictures published somewhere else they have to add all of the above, PLUS they have to have the explicit permission of all persons on the picture, and the explicit permission of the copyright holder (or if any form of Creative Commons, of the maker or publisher) of the picture.
Mail and email are not considered as having been published
, and you would need the explicit permission of the sender to post any content of them.
While the text quoted or paraphrased still is the copyright of tht writer, it does not give you the right to claim copyright about any quoted or paraphrased data. The only copyright you can claim is the wiki itself (and even Wikis as such are meant to be Creative Commons).
As far as I know, the Copyright laws in other countries, e.g. the US, are not much different.

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Why don't I lose that feeling that this sentence sounds very much like "I plead the Fifth"?

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Thanks, Hewee. I wasn't asking you to confirm the quote -- I think it was from a thread on the Krypton Radio site anyway, but maybe Gem, one of the regulars here, can confirm that, since she seems, unless I've misunderstood, to have been part of that discussion.
You didn't misunderstand. I was part of that discussion, though only for one post. My second post was made impossible by an IP ban on their site.

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I was just puzzled about Kalel's "other means" of alt detection might be, for the same reasons you are.
There are no other means than via IP-gathering and checking IP against UUID, and via shifting through forums and blogs to find out whether XY did mention any alts of theirs by name.

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Actually it only proves that I value the confidentiality I have sworn to my friends and colleagues.
Oh, is that similar to the infamous "Blue Code of Silence"? Dude, you're not a RL Police Department, an d you're not RL soldiers. You're just some roleplayers in a virtual world!
SO, pretty please GET REAL, and stand up against stalking!

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Just as I trust members of the League to share information only when appropriate, I trust them to use only appropriate technology.
Can you spell NAIVE?

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"I have outlined a method of resolution."

The amount of hubris you fuckwits continue to emanate is without words.

I do not need to go through any "method of resolution" for you to remove stuff of mine THAT YOU HAVE NO PERMISSION TO UPLOAD TO YOUR WIKI.

I do not need to ask you politely.

I do not need to email you cookies.

I do not need to fill out a form in triplicate.

You DO NOT HAVE permission to include my emails, my chatlogs, my real life biographical details, or anything else related to my identity on your wiki.

Is that explicitly fucking clear enough for you and your methods of resolution?
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Funny that is not the reason you gave for your last account being suspended in Green Zone Users group chat. You clearly said that the reason given was disclosing chat on a 3rd party website (I personally find this unlikely). Either you were lying then, or you are lying now, which is it?
That is what he reported me for. The suspension reason was listed as ID verification. The reason for the ID verification by the phone support was a large number of abuse reports sent in for disclosure. On the date that I spoke with Vagabond. That is the standard procedure when an account is suspended over something stupid, they make you send in ID regardless of the actual offense if they have plans of unbanning you, seeing as you fire first and ask questions later you would not really know that, now would you?

And please stop trying to lash out at me whilst refusing to answer any questions directed at you without shifting the blame or changing topics. Why is Joshua Nightshade's page still there? Why is medical information relevant? How the fuck do you justify listening information about someones family, including their children? You stand by and do nothing, and then try and make petty attacks at people who oppose you. I'll take it that you were the one who abuse reported me from your response, you condescending prick.
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Funny that is not the reason you gave for your last account being suspended in Green Zone Users group chat. You clearly said that the reason given was disclosing chat on a 3rd party website (I personally find this unlikely). Either you were lying then, or you are lying now, which is it?
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:37 AM   #4282 (permalink)
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omg. I actually kind of hope he did. Cause if homeland security doesn't just file 9 that shit as the obvious crazy man's dribble it is, they may decide to go after him for filing a false and frivolous report and wasting their time.
I'm sure they must deal with Cocoa Puffs koo-kooer than this on a daily basis, though.
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Wow, this wikia article is really outdated...
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Has an interesting talk page though, that has, among other things, a claim of two different JLU members reverting the wiki under aliases: Tarantulas (unknown) and Paladin Proto (Kalel Venkman).
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I'm amused that they are claiming to be the largest geek/superhero radio on the net. I worked for one of the medium sized ones and think it was bigger than they are, and there are bigger ones, 'specially if you wander around CoH.
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I'm amused that they are claiming to be the largest geek/superhero radio on the net. I worked for one of the medium sized ones and think it was bigger than they are, and there are bigger ones, 'specially if you wander around CoH.
It's not that they ever had shown signs of being megalomaniac, isn't it?
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I'll take it that you were the one who abuse reported me from your response, you condescending prick.
I have never filed an abuse report on either of your accounts. Find another villain for your melodrama.
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I have never filed an abuse report on either of your accounts. Find another villain for your melodrama.
And as we all know ZenMondo, you are a paragon of truth.....
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A few people have said a word here that I keep coming back to: permission.

In my mind, the JLU are worse than copybotters. They take what they want which doesn't belong to them, then use it for their own personal means. For example how they take your private, RL and SL and medical information and store it on their wiki; I wonder just exactly how many people with their information stored on that wiki actually want it to be there? How many were asked?

I'm willing to bet they didn't ask a single person if it was OK to use their personal data, and from what I know that's a breach of the Data Protection Act , not to mention foregoing a basic human courtesy. I seriously think they are breaking laws here, to do with data protection and data security, and probably crossing the lines of stalking and harassment laws too. Even if they weren't required to ask for permission by law to store your information, it is still considered a basic human courtesy to ask someone to use something which belongs to them rather than just take it.

I'm also amazed at the apparent psychosis of most of the group members, who seem to think the JLU doesn't have any real leaders, or is a co-operation of people; if you honestly believe you are anything less than a pawn of your Lord Kalel you are delusional.
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:22 AM   #4289 (permalink)
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If GLE has truly decided that any particular bit of information on our wiki should be removed, I am sure he will remove it--or perhaps already has. If he believes your request merits consideration by the League, I am sure he will bring it up with the group.
Wait, is this the same GLE that just parrots bullshit in an attempt to "defend" JLU? Oh, I'm sure he'll be over that Wiki in a heartbeat.

In Bizarro World, maybe.
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I don't care how many prim penis's or mario particles they spread across the grid. They are my Fucking Hero's and I would rather deal with their in-game griefing then the JLU's gathering of REAL LIFE information any day of the week.
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Another day, another leak.

After searching Soft's name, quite a lot of hits came up, I will steadily release what I find about him from the wiki.

This page was so poorly formatted I had to just copy the text.
I will screen shot it if there is doubt.
This shows Emiley contacting Soft directly and him *surprise surprise* helping them out. It is an interesting post about us for sure!


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On July 20, 2011 - A group calling themselves the Saphora Mafia initiated an Distributed Denial of Service Attack originating from inside SL against the Krypton Radio website, which also disabled Bwiki and some of our in-world systems.
While not seen at first, they created a twitter account (@SephoraMafia) and publicly claimed responsibility for the attack in a message that to the public implied it, but to those who know about SL Mafias, it would be clear.

Third message: @KryptonRadio "This user has blocked you from following them." Oh that is fantastic. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Second message: @KryptonRadio Why so silent? Thinking up some more ISP related excuses are we?...tango down
First message: @KryptonRadio Nice excuse about 'ISP Issues', is that why it is down again? Maybe there is another reason for it

Thank you [-- SOFT LINDEN'S RL NAME --], your help is greatly appreciated. Our site is back up, have a wonderful day.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:53, [-- SOFT LINDEN'S RL NAME --] <soft@lindenlab.com> wrote:

Thanks, Emiley. I see the objects and just pushed out a blacklist against them. If you continue to see traffic, or if it repeats, the quickest way to deal with this is to file a SEC JIRA. That will page a Linden.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Emiley Tomsen <[-- REMOVED --]@gmail.com> wrote:

The [-- URL REMOVED DUE TO THE JLU'S GHASTLY OBITUARY FOR DEADLY CODEC --] website is being hit by a DDoS attack which has been determined by the web-hosting company to be coming from inside SL. It is being tracked to servers at the following address: 216.82.30.38

We are still trying to pull additional information from the system,

We have tried calling the LL tech support, but have constantly been hung up on and put on hold for hours on end, please contact me in-world or by email.
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[-- URL REMOVED DUE TO THE JLU'S GHASTLY OBITUARY FOR DEADLY CODEC --]
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Well if a DDoS is originating from within SL, that does sound like the sort of thing Soft should be involved with.
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Yeah he´s just doing his job.
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That means a lot coming from you.

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Another day, another leak.

After searching Soft's name, quite a lot of hits came up, I will steadily release what I find about him from the wiki.

This page was so poorly formatted I had to just copy the text.
I will screen shot it if there is doubt.
This shows Emiley contacting Soft directly and him *surprise surprise* helping them out. It is an interesting post about us for sure!
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"We have tried calling the LL tech support, but have constantly been hung up on and put on hold for hours on end, please contact me in-world or by email."

Well JLU welcome to my SL support experience.

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[08:39 AM] Kalel Venkman: Anyway, last week we were looking at the front page of
Hazim Gazov's web site wondering where the real content was.
[08:39 AM] Kalel Venkman: Now we know.
[08:39 AM] Samantha Lowell: I meant to ask about that myself
[08:39 AM] Samantha Lowell: That code had me puzled
[08:39 AM] Kalel Venkman: [-- LINK REMOVED IN CASE OF ANY RL INFO --]
[08:39 AM] Melanippe Karas: ?
[08:40 AM] Kalel Venkman: That's the front end of his griefer blog.
[08:40 AM] Kalel Venkman: He's still in it up to his eyebrows.
[08:40 AM] Kalel Venkman: Now we can track what he's up to.
[08:41 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Cool.
[08:41 AM] Kalel Venkman: We can also hand over the site to the Lindens who can
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