Cummere Mayo

Hmmm, Thanks for admitting that the JLU reveals alt information there...

Kara Spengler

Tell that to LL. I have not been able to export my houses since they came up with the policy that you needed to create everything.

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Cummere Mayo

Any person that did what GLE did is NOT a good man. they are a creepy stalker. Anyone that would support that kind of action is by extension an accessory to creepy stalking.

Ryokashi

Oh boy logged out by an administrator whilst arguing with ZenMondo.

Violation: Terms of Service: Identity Confirmation

OF COURSE I get mass ARed for this yet again. And back into the nightmarish process that is the Linden Lab support service.

Joshua Nightshade

Assholes.

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Cummere Mayo

no basis? are you really a fucking retard? the basis is all the laws you broke putting it there. and for the record that wiki is not confidential, NOT copy-writable, not even your property. its all stolen material.

but PLEASE keep posting this information. I'm sure that some prosecutors, parents, civil attorneys, and possibly soon news reporters will LOVE seeing what you are writing.

Innula Zenovka

Thanks, Hewee. I'm content to accept your assurances that and also that, as you very fairly concede, you can't comment on because you just don't know.

No reason you would know, of course. All you've got to go on is your trust in what your colleagues tell you; you're in a similar position to -- for example -- LordGregGreg with what Fractured Crystal and Phox were telling him about how they weren't doing anything untoward with things in the Emerald code that he couldn't check for himself. All he could do was accept their assurances that all was well, until he found he no longer could so do in good faith.

I'm not suggesting, let alone asking you to accept, of course, that your colleagues are guilty of any such misconduct. I'm just saying that, if they were, you'd no more know about it than did LordGregGreg at the time know about JCool's and Phox's shenanigans.

So what this seems to me to come down to is that Kalel apparently says he has some mysterious "other means" of determining people's alts; you don't know what these means are (if, indeed, they actually exist, and he didn't just mean he has some trusted informants and relies on what they tell him about alts), and all you can really tell us is that he's not made them available to the rest of the group as whole (though maybe to some individuals?) but, because you've always found him trustworthy, you trust that these "other means" are legitimate and that he's using them responsibly, whatever they are.

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Arilynn

How is information about people's children or the white blood cell count of a person with AIDS appropriate information?

Does the JLU actually care what other SL users think of their activities? If so, its leadership needs to clarify why such highly personal information was collected and take responsibility for it. The JLU sees itself as some sort of police-style organization. Consequently, it should adopt the best practices of police units and show some accountability to its community, which in this case is other SL users. Its leader should step up, take responsibility, and address the serious privacy issues presented here. If not, the JLU is more akin to rogue cops or a griefing group.

If this doesn't matter to members of the JLU, then they should stop with the "grid police" idea: They are just RPers who have gone so far into their RP that they have lost all perspective on the boundaries between RL and RP and are no better than those they purport to fight. They can't have it both ways.

Ann Otoole

If it isn't clear to people by now that LL is solidly behind and supporting what the JLU does and how they do it then I don't know what to tell you. If you are a victim then get a lawyer and/or file charges. Complaining here is pointless. LL doesn't care what is written about this matter on forums or in world.

I'm done with it. Have fun.

Cummere Mayo

omg. I actually kind of hope he did. Cause if homeland security doesn't just file 9 that shit as the obvious crazy man's dribble it is, they may decide to go after him for filing a false and frivolous report and wasting their time.

Dontspill McGinnis

That is so typical of them.
JLU Manual - How to deal with awkward questions:-

1. Bury head in sand 'til it goes away.
2. Deny any personal knowledge
3. Blame sister group.
4. Blame TWH
5. Blame angry mob
6. Ignore questioner
7. Mass AR any opponent(s)

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Ryokashi

The basically Ar'd you for Underage.
So Lindens just will want you to verify your age.

Its the most abused AR in sl. cause its so easy to do and Lindens just freak on it.
they go UNDERAGE GASPPPPppp it must be true!!

Tracer Graves

GLE has publicly defended the actions of Senator Joseph McCarthy. He thinks he did the right thing and protected America. He has also said multiple racist things in on multiple boards. No, AEther, he is NOT a "good person". He is a self-deluded nutjob with a warped sense of justice. Just like you and all the other JLU OFFICERS. You are not some peon in the group. You have more access and info than any of the lowly JLU membership and you are just blowing off everything here like you have no say, no power.

Fuck off.

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Aribeth Zelin

I hadn't really even heard of the JLU [Earth 3 version] in SL until this thread. And so of course, I had no opinion.

Now, I've a very low opinion - I rate hypocrisy as one of the big sins, and endangering children is of course one, without even counting all the nasty, petty CRAP that I keep seeing.

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Lloyd Newman

Want a real shocker?

I am on Joshua's side on this.

Be afraid, JLU. Be very afraid.

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Ryokashi

I know, this is how my main was suspended too. That is what they mass AR people for constantly. I tried to get my main restored with a state-issued college ID but they said that was not good enough. Apparently I must be some kind of 14 year old college genius.

Well, just to bother Kalel by existing, I may actually try and get my account back now!

Walker

I wonder what will happen if you don't stop?

This maybe?

It's beginning to smell like a protection racket to me.

I really hope Rodvik and Soft are paying attention to all of this.

Jack Abraham

Bronxelf, I've found no more fervent supporters of this idea than the people I know who are in the JLU itself. But then, I haven't really spoken to most of them since they started supporting alt detection, so that may have changed too.

Elysium Hynes

They will AR you on fake chatlogs if they have to, they have done it before, it´s so easy to simply question someone´s age that way.

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Elysium Hynes

That is a shocker

Artemis Fate

Thinking of the end-goal of all this, there's really only two satisfactory solutions out of all this.

One is that the JLU takes down the wiki, apologizes, and disbands the group. I don't think this would work, since no one would take any bit of it sincerely. That's the problem with a secret locked wiki, there's no way to confirm it's really gone.

The other way is for LL to crack down on them hard, send a message saying this sort of collection on residents isn't allowed, and start handing out bans to the key members, primarily Kalel for massive invasion of privacy and violation of the ToS.

So there's really no point at debating this with Kalel or the JLU besides venting outrage, there's really nothing they can do that can resolve it, even severe actions like dissolving the group would never be taken seriously after so much lying and subterfuge.

Ann Otoole

LL is playing on an entirely different level. A level that is way beyond what I wish to contend with.

Linden Lab Counsel Offers Settlement in SEC Fraud Case

rodvik knows exactly what is going on and obviously supports it fully.

You will not beat a corporation.

Have fun.

Sugar

The idea of people still wearing spandex makes me question their age maybe we should ar them for proof of age....

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Aribeth Zelin

And here I thought the thing that makes me question their age is their behavior, sense of entitlement and general lack of maturity.

Marx Dudek

As I posted earlier in the thread, Prok did the same thing concerning the exact same person - the only difference being that Prok contacted the funeral home, rather than the family. And then blogged about it, and defends the action to this day.

Oh, and let's not forget this little gem - openly griefing a suffering, terminally-ill person publicly and openly questioning whether they actually have AIDS.

Link: Start at seven comments down. It’s 4/20 — Do You Know Where Your Medical Marijuana Is? | The Alphaville Herald

The more I follow this, the more I realize that we're dealing with two feathers on the same bird.