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Old 08-19-2011, 11:57 AM   #401 (permalink)
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:03 PM   #402 (permalink)
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Sorry to interrupt the JLU bashing, but I'm not seeing much proof of anything relevant here.

We only have the listmaker's word that this data came from PZ. (Remember? There was something about some list back at the start?) No evidence about the source, or even a hint about the exploit that might have extracted it. In fact, the addresses are redacted so they can't be verified in any way, and no one has come out and said 'that's my IP'. So how do we know the whole list isn't bogus?
I'm not entirely sure you read the whole thread because aside from the multiple comparrissons to the wiki denial there's several people in this thread talking about how the JLU has harassed them and their groups including a link to an article about how the JLU got banned from furnation for harassing their admin. Even if you can discount all their vague/question dodging/iploggery the JLU is still waist deep in harassment in this thread.

Also after reading what I missed while sleeping I really agree with Huns on the external Locus of control. It's been 3 quarters since my psyche class but the second he said that I realized he's completely on the money about that. They'll never admit when they're wrong even when it is right in their face telling them. They blame others for everything that's why they're the JLU.
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I'm not entirely sure you read the whole thread because aside from the multiple comparrissons to the wiki denial there's several people in this thread talking about how the JLU has harassed them and their groups including a link to an article about how the JLU got banned from furnation for harassing their admin. Even if you can discount all their vague/question dodging/iploggery the JLU is still waist deep in harassment in this thread. ...
Yes, but haven't we pretty much seen all that before? The question remains whether the specific IP address data with which this thread began actually came from JLU (and specifically from Phantom Zone).

There's a distinct lack of substance here. There was the observation that their supposed domain name was among those that should be blocked by a media filter, during the RedZone clusterfuck. There was, of course, a denial that Phantom Zone even uses IP addresses or outs alts. Then there was some confusion about hashing IP addresses, and geolocating hashed IP addresses -- all for the benefit of people who can't geolocate fucking Colchester.

I'm intentionally being a skeptic, but what I see are some modest lists of IP addresses, of unknown provenance. Yeah, it would be a smoking gun if the data were clearly traceable to some group or other, but it would also be kinda pathetic: RedZone scale it ain't.
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sort of a sad state of affairs that the JLU wants to be the good guys so badly but people really do say "Well we've seen it all before."

Ya I guess it's no real secret that the JLU harasses people.
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I won't beleive the listmaker without some better evidence. Anything else, I don't think I'm nearly clever enough to have an opinion on.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:09 PM   #413 (permalink)
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While others can cite specific behavioural examples I would say your choice of name and icon is interesting to say the least!

The Green Lantern (at least in the comics, I have not seen the movie version) basically saw things in black and white, no shades of grey and something being worse than something else. He was so hepped up about rigidly following The Law that Joe Mccarthy would have looked like a communist.
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Yes, but haven't we pretty much seen all that before? The question remains whether the specific IP address data with which this thread began actually came from JLU (and specifically from Phantom Zone).

There's a distinct lack of substance here. There was the observation that their supposed domain name was among those that should be blocked by a media filter, during the RedZone clusterfuck. There was, of course, a denial that Phantom Zone even uses IP addresses or outs alts. Then there was some confusion about hashing IP addresses, and geolocating hashed IP addresses -- all for the benefit of people who can't geolocate fucking Colchester.

I'm intentionally being a skeptic, but what I see are some modest lists of IP addresses, of unknown provenance. Yeah, it would be a smoking gun if the data were clearly traceable to some group or other, but it would also be kinda pathetic: RedZone scale it ain't.
Obtained from some guy named "Anon," yes, obviously a legitimate source. Some people will be willing to believe anything and make up any story as long as it casts JLU in a bad light. Others can see past the smoke and mirrors. Thank you.
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Some people will be willing to believe anything and make up any story as long as it casts JLU in a bad light. Others can see past the smoke and mirrors. Thank you.
And still others possess the ability to gather all information as it is presented, weigh that against the words, attitudes and actions of those involved and make up their own minds. Funny how that works.
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Some people will be willing to believe anything and make up any story as long as it casts JLU in a bad light. Others can see past the smoke and mirrors. Thank you.
Oh get over yourself already. We've seen the meeting logs in the wiki release where you all literally pull shit out of your asses as long as it is against the big bad woodbury or the wrong hands. There is a very serious difference between simple pontification and fundamental delusion.

Just because people dislike you, your actions, or your group and its actions does not mean that everything negative that comes to light about you is smoke and mirrors. That tired ass excuse is just that - tired.

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and JLU really hasn't shown any proof that it's NOT harvested by them other then to say "NOT US!"
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All I get out of this entire thread is that there's some spandex-wearing, self-proclaimed authority figures running around and that - far more importantly, people (and it really doesn't matter who - anyone at all can be not what they seem - and usually are) are still using the media hole to suck up IP addresses for -whatever- purpose they have.

I only see a need to put more pressure on SL to require every viewer to have a filter turned on by default and to provide warnings anytime anyone tries to connect via media.

If these yoyos are doing it, others are too. And if they stop, others will continue. The problem has to be addressed at the defect level or its pointless.
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and JLU really hasn't shown any proof that it's NOT harvested by them other then to say "NOT US!"
Have there been any screenshots or youtube videos showing exactly how PZ works or what all it can do? It has to have some sort of menu or command set up, why aren't they showing us that?
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Have there been any screenshots or youtube videos showing exactly how PZ works or what all it can do? It has to have some sort of menu or command set up, why aren't they showing us that?
That would interesting to see, maybe JLU would like to give us a tour of their tool, to clear all misunderstandings, i belive transparency is always the best option myself.
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And still others possess the ability to gather all information as it is presented, weigh that against the words, attitudes and actions of those involved and make up their own minds. Funny how that works.
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That would interesting to see, maybe JLU would like to give us a tour of their tool, to clear all misunderstandings, i belive transparency is always the best option myself.
That would be nice and if phantom zone does not harvest ip's then why not show some source to it? Its not like a scan tool wont scan if people see it. I just really don't care too much to read more of this

TLDR: JLU hates woodbury and WU enjoys making lolz by wasting time to troll ejustice spandex peoples.
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That would interesting to see, maybe JLU would like to give us a tour of their tool, to clear all misunderstandings, i belive transparency is always the best option myself.
That would make the most sense. Also a definitive "No. Drone1 is not KalEl" after 2 seconds of looking at a web page. Thread closed, the end.

If they're good guys why do they act like they have something to hide?
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