Kate M.

Last time I checked, poking around random publicly-accessible sub-domains wasn't a crime.

Unlike, you know, collecting medical data on people without their consent.

Every single one of you who *didn't* stand up to Kalel and say "No, this crosses the line" shares in the criminal responsibility that saturates your group.

Ryokashi

I was unaware that visiting a subdomain then leaving without gaining access was considered hacking! I visited Krypton Radio after Kalel IP banned me for commenting, am I a hacker too? Obviously as I have reached a publicly accessible page that you do not want me on, it gives you the right to claim I have "waived my rights" so that you may compile my personal information and attempt to get me fired!

Cathiee McMillan

Tux Seriously I think lindens should take your Account off Suspension.
You seem more stable to me than the JLU is.

HUGS Tux

GASP they gonna write up in their wiki that i am in love with TUX the horror!!!

Stroker Serpentine

I'll confirm this as a resident one county over from CoS World HQ. They have come under a lot of local scrutiny for their legal practices, especially wrongful death lawsuit defenses.

Tracking alt's by I.P. addresses is not only a violation of privacy, it's an exercise in futility. I use my alt's to get some peace and quiet on the grid. I certainly don't want them publicized as an alternative support route for my main's content. 99.9% of alt's are used for non-nefarious reasons in my experience. The remaining .1% should really be handled by professionals.

I have often wondered (stop me now Trasee) if some form of resident arbitration commitee integrated with the G-Team couldn't be implemented. Possibly even a fledgling form of self governance. I know that was always one of Philip's idealistic quests.

Kate M.

Sadly, I think the JLU is a pretty good sampling of the type of people that would be attracted to such an endevour.

Misty Harley

If it were just this, I wouldn't care and for some in world organizations, it's sorta necessary to make sure their people with ban rights don't go nutso on them or to make sure they know the history when they are contacted.

If they banned SL-Joe Schmoe from a sim and chat logged it on a website...so beneath my radar would not have registered.

Even if they sat around playing "guess the alt" with no other means of verifying beyond "oooh yeah...they told me once they had an alt named this" It never would have hit my radar.

But they didn't do that like you said, they took it real world. they took it OUT of SL and gathered real life information.

Because why?

Because they are super hero's and fighting for justice for all!

Screw that.

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Tracer Graves

Yeah, you should have seen him eloquently defend Joe McCarthy and hero worship him over on SCII. This man is twisted. I bet you could do some searches on Freerepublic.com and find his eloquent posts on a variety of subjects there too. Not under his spandex wearing handle, but if you read enough of his posting history here and on SCII you could figure it out.

His eloquence is a thin veneer and it wears off pretty quickly if you actually try to engage him without following his deflections.

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AEther

Again I will not betray my group's confidence, but I believe I may able to address this one sufficiently from Joshua's story alone and what has been posted here. He claimed that he had a private correspondence with Zatzai, and that she betrayed his confidence in sharing the information. That's really between him and Zatz, as I have no idea what confidentiality agreement there may have been between them. I trust Zatz, and my assumption based on her supposed behavior and based on what I have seen posted here about what is supposedly in the wiki would probably be that she may have thought Joshua's communication WAS meant for the League and not just her. The kind of information he supposedly provided her--and if what is posted here IS accurate there is always the good chance it may not be nearly complete--would seem to be along the vein of helpful cooperation with the League. I could understand how she might think that even if it was not Joshua's implicit intent.

It's easy to get angry about something and start changing your story or revising your own recollection, I suppose, too. But Joshua says he has satisfactorily resolved the matter with Zatz, so if she were to contact me and inform me of any content she may have posted to the B-Wiki that was shared in violation of Joshua's confidence, I would be happy to look into it and remove any such material immediately. I'll state again that I trust Zatz, and it sounds like Joshua does to some degree as well, so there should be an easy remedy for this one.

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zip paz

hanging out on my land when all of the sudden diandra resident shows up.

I'm not really surprised since the JLU know where my land is because Ginrai knows.

Too bad he was already banned and I sent up AN Ar

This person has been stalking me and several others because we have been posting in a thread outside of SL discussing all the negative things the JLU has been doing. Now he's been following me in world, trying to listen in to what I'm doing and harass me by saying negative things about disabled veterans.

(he knows I'm a disabled veteran). This person is creepy and I wish they would leave me alone.

Code Slacker

Why does she have to tell you to remove it? It should've been removed long ago.

Sione

Naughty hands I told you to stay out of this thread.

bronxelf

I wish to point out at this time that this? Right here?

zFire used this same logic when applied to RZ and the site (isellsl) upon which it was hosted. I will note how well that helped him in the long run.

Carry on.

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Velvet Bikcin

Joshua has said he wants it removed, by any standard, that should be good enough for it to be pulled.

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Economic Engineer

What pissed Joshua off isn't just that you had his emails and RL name on his article. He's continually asked and asked for that content to be removed in this thread and in others months before. Even though there were multiple JLU members reading these threads. He was completely ignored everytime he asked.

Kara Spengler

I am guessing they went through the greatest hits of SL things to yell about, furries and so on, so there must be a lot of stuff. Oh, my child avatar is named Caitlyn Clawtooth if they yelled about kids.

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bronxelf

This does not explain why Joshua's information is now, still on the wiki and within the JLU's possession.

Vergil Hellershanks

I dont think this is a question of Second Life TOS anymore. Legal action needs to be taken due ot the severity of their 'e-stalking'.

Kara Spengler

Dunno, bored?

Although I will admit to being guilty for sending Prok the link to here about the takedown notice. I had noticed a blog post over there mentioning the removed content but was not sure if xe saw the notice or just what the blog host sent. If not I would want someone would want to let me know if I were in the same position.

Argent Stonecutter

I think we have ample evidence that this is not the case, and even there the docs that you're keeping on people in-world seem to be way out of scope.

In other words, you're doing it to take matters beyond second life into meatspace.

That's the kind of thing that made me drop out of a number of groups back in the Usenet days. I started out trying to help figure out who some of the worst abusers really were because they were starting out by attacking people in RL (eg, sending fraudulent letters to people's bosses claiming their posts to Usenet were putting their employers in conflict with election laws), but it pretty quickly got beyond just helping people defend themselves. After one guy started to boast about trolls and "net kooks" he'd gotten fired, I pretty much dropped out of Usenet altogether.

JLU seems to me to be doing the same kind of thing, with less justification.

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The previous is a cybernetic datum published - in direct contravention of DoD Regulation #229RR3X3 - as being conducive to the physical, psychological and/or social well-being of the population.

Tux

Also it should be noted unless they build a new wiki, the changes are recorded and can be stepped back through with a simple click!

EDIT: I also note Hewee has completely avoided my questions.

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AEther

Using a URL which was originally obtained dishonestly and was always kept quite private and confidential, and similarly for the API queries attempted? Attempting numerous variations including obviously human misspellings when denied? What exactly WOULD you consider hacking of a web interface?

What information you normally send via your browser and the fact of your connection? Yes, that data you willingly provide when you access a webserver, and it is no longer private. If that is a problem for you, you should probably make an effort to be careful of what domains you access.

Mad Mouse

You're still sidestepping the fact you had and still have people's RL info in that wiki including info on children which very well may violate COPPA.

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Potosi

Digging through google for pages trying to find any bit scrap of info on sombody. Looking through their facebook, finding out their family names,their medical conditions and anything else you can get your greedy little hands on. What exactly WOULD you consider stalking somebody on the internet?

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Ashiri

What, you have to ask the person who posted the stuff to identify what she posted about Joshua? You can't search for it and flag it for removal?
Any reputation you had as a software engineer is shattered.

Argent Stonecutter

The term's gotten so diluted, man. In the old days, you had to actually write code that did something interesting to be considered a hacker. Now you don't even have to be a script kiddy... you just have to type a link into your browser window. Damn.