Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

And their respective anatomies, one supposes.....

Originally Posted by Helena

I personally cant confirm for myself if JLU Logs, or Harvests IP addresses, but what I can say for sure is that I do Appricate what JLU, Grid Watch, and the SLPD have done for us, they have made an effort to help with the community, and the griefers which this is the part I like.

I talked to one of the members of JLU I have known for a long time and they tell me that their system does not log IP addresses for any reason with Phantom Zone, Although I am sure that their system could do such if they wanted it to Just like I am sure that the SLPD's System could LOG IP addresses if they wanted to although I am still waiting to confirm if they are doing such for myself as I know a lot of people dislike JLU and I want to be sure they are before I say or make any comments without proof. In other words they say this is all done by Manual Bans, and known griefers.

I am also aware that CDS is still used by some and that while the creator claims this system does not log IP addresses I know for sure it works through media, and that I have been abused by it, my friends have been abused, and defamed by it, and that the system can log IP addreses which unless I personally am behind the creator of this system Real Life to see if they are or not I really don't trust it.

While I support some of what JLU and their friends have doen for us, I honestly think that Phantom Zone, as well as CDS, and all other network ban systems should be removed from the grid, and new Policy put into make sure that such are removed from the grid, and here is my reason.

While People believe griefing is simply Simulator Spamming, Copybotting, Trolling, or harassing others and I know because I hear it all the time, We as land owners have the right to ban anyone without a reason, This is true you always have that right but you do not have that right to ban people from other parcels you don't own, abuse other residents by defaming them, or bringing grief, and harassment to them. I myself as many know have no mercy for CopyBot/Griefers that bring nothing but harm to our grid, and I know that I myself would not abuse such a system against anyone, but I can't speak for JLU which had me banned once because they called me a griefer for sharing an Opinion they thought was rude, and my alts that are CDS banned simply because the creator doesn't like me just like the creator of Red Zone did as well before he lost his account, and got arrested RL as we all know.

There are many forms of griefing, and harassment, this is just another form of it, and the reason LL needs to take action to remove such systems, and all of them.

There is a tool everyone gets, and you get it as a 0 Day old account, that tool is built into everyones viewer and it is called.

Help > Abuse Report

Originally Posted by Argent Stonecutter

That's kind of obvious. People were using 'silent' parcel audio streams to rip alts long before this stuff was on anyone's radar.

That's why the media filters filter all media, not just video ("parcel media").

Originally Posted by Elysium Hynes

Honestly donīt worry they wonīt log your IP, they will keep a file on you and follow you on facebook, and if you are unfortunate enough to pass away, they will stalk your family and out them all to the internet. Least thing you need to worry about is your IP.

Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

Well, they won't log your IP with Phantom Zone. Probably. So far as I can recall they've never denied alt detection, only IP logging with Phantom Zone.

Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

Well, they won't log your IP with Phantom Zone. Probably. So far as I can recall they've never denied alt detection, only IP logging with Phantom Zone.

Originally Posted by Sugar

Phantom Zone page:
A prism detects an avatar and transmits the avatar name and UUID to the base station. The base station uses the UUID to gather more information about the avatar itself. The base station, functioning as a HTTP-in server, first calculates a unique hash code based on the avatar’s detected properties and a pass phrase known only to the base station, generated at random. The base station then forces the avatar to access its URL, appending the hash code to the URL so that it comes back as a parameter. That allows the base station to collect other information about the avatar that cannot be obtained by LSL alone, including the IP address being used. As one of the ingredients in the production of the hash code would be time, the hash code is guaranteed to be unique from one detection to the next, making it impossible to predict (or synthesize).
The base station then relays all the information gathered about the avatar and relays it to the Phantom Zone server, but only if the correct hash code is received. The unique hash code protects the base station from receiving spoofed identify packets. Packets that do not carry the correct hash code are simply discarded.
The transmitted data would contain the following information about the given avatar:

Originally Posted by Helena

I personally cant confirm for myself if JLU Logs, or Harvests IP addresses, but what I can say for sure is that I do Appricate what JLU, Grid Watch, and the SLPD have done for us, they have made an effort to help with the community, and the griefers which this is the part I like.

Originally Posted by Cathiee McMillan

See this is whats so frustrating:
Zen says it only collects UUID/AGE/Name and stores it in the DB.
then he went to say that others can see why you were banned from a sim.
Example I am banned in Sim A by Joe, Sim B i go into and Alice sees Joe Banned me cause JOE said i was a griefer. Alice then believes what JOE wrote and bans me from sim B. This will be a snow ball affect all the way down the line.
The are Data-mining and using a Algorithm he said to make global bans on people. I assume it checks how many sims your banned in your age and stuff.

Either Zen doesn't know the whole of what PZ is doing or he was really tired or he is only giving half truths.
He said their is no web interface for the PZ that all interaction with it is thru the HUD or Node.

frustration!!!

Originally Posted by Cathiee McMillan

I do see alot of people in GZ want to make sure that the GZ hud will locate the Phantom zone. I think their will be lots of discussions about it and they will work on a detection system we hope with out ZEN involved in it.

Originally Posted by Elysium Hynes

Is he involved in the HUD atm? I hope the Group members realize JLU has files on everyone including probably the maker of Green Zone and any more vocal members.

Originally Posted by Qie Niangao

I've been trying to think of how the policedepartment system delivered actual music, not silence, in a scalable yet non-obvious way that could be handed to anybody who wanted it on their parcel with their own music. Maybe they never achieved that.