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There are some days on SLU a thread is funny... Or enlightening... Or over dramatic in a comedic fashion... Or sometimes its just something well worth reading.

This thread is none of the above. Have some Owls.









I believe you will find this was the most interesting post in this thread.

Good day sirs.

Arkady Arkright

You are Ken Livingstone, and I claim my five pounds !

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Sione

This is just wrong.

Why is that builder more important than anyone else having griefing problems at the time?

All you are doing is creating more work for the people reading the AR's and slowing down the response time for other people. AR's do get read and I would assume ones marked as griefing are prioritised above anything else because it is a risk to the stability of the grid and needs to be acted on as fast as possible.

Astolat Dufaux

... and how on earth do you pop in and judge who's the griefer in that instance?

Whose to say the guy with the several hundred prim spaceship isn't "griefing" by taking up more than his share of prims and building space, so no one else can build?

There's purportedly 30,000 sims in SL... I think if someone has problems at one sandbox, there a few thousand more they can try out. I was able to find a couple of nice quiet sandboxes where I don't get bothered.

I'm just... dumbfounded by this whole thing. I had no idea.

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Huns Valen

Of what use is the collection of RL info?

If they contacted Linden Lab and said, "This person is actually John Doe," would Linden Lab take them at their word? I think not.

What is their interest in accumulating such information?

Arkady Arkright

The North Korean strategy - "I have no self-restraint, so it's your fault if something bad happens to you when you disagree with me". A reasonable individual would not expect someone who reacts badly to harassment to be in charge of a vigilante army of self appointed net-cops.

I'm sorry GL. I have no axe to grind in this - never been banned by anyone, hardly even heard of the JLU before this thread - but you come across as a self-righteous self-justifying little prick, and every time you open your mouth you sink your foot deeper into it.

Robble Rubble

Oh what is this!? It's the JLU parcel near the ivory tower of prims!!! And what is that in the background, on the very same parcel mind you? Oh it's a playground, how fun!!!!

So that's either ageplayer bait or the JLU are a bunch of manchildren, which is it Zenmundo?!

(btw your phantom zone system is worthless when I turn off media)

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Stroker Serpentine

Collecting RL info is creepy. Showing up at someone's door irl, knowing they are taunting you from SL, Halloween or not, is creepy. Stop being creepy!

Darnk Yun

Cool avatar BTW!

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Robble Rubble

Don't worry Stroker, I'll make sure to tell Tizzers to stop being creepy. I wonder if Zenmundo will pass on the same message to Kalel.

Robble Rubble

[5:44:29 AM] Robble Rubble: STOP BEING CREEPY
[5:48:17 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT
[5:48:19 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: ROBBLE
[5:48:19 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: RUBBLE
[5:48:35 AM] Robble Rubble: STROKER TOLD ME TO I'M SORRY
[5:48:54 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: TOLD YOU TO WHAT
[5:49:09 AM] Robble Rubble: TELL YOU TO STOP BEING CREEPY
[5:49:33 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: ya right
[5:49:36 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: Stroker is a bro
[5:49:41 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: logs or it didn't happen
[5:50:07 AM] Robble Rubble: JLU Harvesting IP Addresses?
[5:50:46 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: Collecting RL info is creepy. Showing up at someone's door irl, knowing they are taunting you from SL, Halloween or not, is creepy. Stop being creepy!
[5:50:46 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: oh
[5:50:47 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: this
[5:51:11 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: whatever I don't give a fuck, Kalel brought the game into IRL and I reciprocated accordingly
[5:51:33 AM] Robble Rubble: wait what, I have never heard about that can you tell me more?
[5:52:00 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: he contacted the university IRL and tried to get me kicked out of school, then tried to get Clift fired. That crossed the line into IRL and I showed up at his door
[5:52:07 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: to show him I wasn't afraid to make this shit get real
[5:52:46 AM] Robble Rubble: can I post this in the thread or do you wanna?
[5:52:56 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: so people can call it whatever they want, I don't regret anything
[5:53:07 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: you can post it, feel free to word it nicer, I'm kinda drunk
[5:53:19 AM] Robble Rubble: sounds good, thanks buddy
[5:53:26 AM] Tizzers Foxchase: (y)
[5:53:32 AM] Robble Rubble: (hug)

ZENMUNDO I EAGERLY WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE!!!

Kara Spengler

So they (think they) know.

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Huns Valen

Kalel, how old are you. Seriously. The Grown Man Board is going to hear of this, and I'm certain they will revoke your membership.

Kara Spengler

When something *legitimately* affects a lot of people and they independently file ARs the lindens can respond fast. I have seen it happen where an event I was at got griefed -- the organisers were telling newbies how to file ARs but those of us who knew how to file one did not even need to be told to do so.

Conversely, AR parties only muddy the waters. If the linden(s) on duty are too busy responding to every time someone griefs any ole sandbox (usually you can just TP to another one, it is not urgent) it is that much longer for them to respond to something that is disrupting a big planned event where a solution is time-critical.

Huns Valen

You're talking to a brick wall. What they do isn't about griefing at all. They're fighting shadows from their own pasts. They are not handling their internal shit, and so their internal shit is handling them. The result is an abuse upon everyone who has a legitimate AR to file, and a treason against the very population they have the audacity to pretend that they serve. It is not possible to reason with them because they are not playing with the team. They're lost to us.

Kara Spengler

While others can cite specific behavioural examples I would say your choice of name and icon is interesting to say the least!

The Green Lantern (at least in the comics, I have not seen the movie version) basically saw things in black and white, no shades of grey and something being worse than something else. He was so hepped up about rigidly following The Law that Joe Mccarthy would have looked like a communist.

Joshua Nightshade

It was probably on half a Bacardi Breezer, dude is way short.

I mean I'm short, but I'm like a giant compared to Tizzers.

Sorry Tizbro!

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Huns Valen

BRB, someone talked shit to me on Twitter and I'm going to see if I can get him fired.

Joshua Nightshade

Is that what it takes to get your attention, Huns?

Huns Valen

I breathed the same air as Philip last Friday, u jelly?

Misty Harley

It's one thing to keep a list of AVATAR information and details of the incident that occurred on your own parcel when you ban someone or warn someone but it's another thing entirely to bring in real life information along with Avatar Information on a wiki that occurs off your own parcel

Stop it.

If it doesn't happen on your own parcel keep your cape down and stay the fuck away no matter how many of your tighted wonders call you for assistance. It's none of your damn business and you have absolutely no right to attempt to figure it out and will most likely get it wrong anyway.

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Joshua Nightshade

I invited Philip to a gay bar, got turned down, and made him run away. /smug

Darnk Yun

MWAHAHAHAH!!!!

(I hope someone gets this)

Tux

So I was debating posting this. But decided I would anyway. Please do not remove this post as I authorise all the information as is. I wish to demonstrate the lengths the JLU go to!

It was sent over IM (by a none disclosed JLU member a couple of months ago - obviously I will not be releasing a date and time as Kalel will then find out who I have in there). It is not very well laid out but this is the JLU's CURRENT wiki entry for me (unedited - but cut into a few parts to fit in forum post guides):

Tux Winkler
Contents [hide]
1 General information
2 Profile
3 Details
4 Web Sites Temporarily Down
5 Attempt to repeat the success of TWH
6 Attempt to repeat the success of the PN
7 JLU Member Online page
8 A conversation in which Tux Confesses to use of the freebees to track us and others=
9 Groups and known alts
10 Tux finally slips up
11 Website
12 Brainiac Profile: Tux Winkler

SL name: Tux Winkler
Rez-date: 5/26/2007
AV key: ff54778b-65e0-4c1b-aa52-5db21a6b53f5
Partner: None at this time.

Photo used by Tux Winkler on his Twitter account. Probably not actually him.

Lands: owns a parcel in Superville, probably selected because of the name of the region, in which he has a store called "Disturbed". Also appears to own a region by the same name.
Probable Alts: Raine Brucato
Threat level: High
Real life name: Dominic Adams
Probable Location: Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom (formerly of Ilkeston, but moved sometime in the last three years)
Note:
In various places, Winkler cites his location as Ilkeston, Milton Keynes and Colchester. Milton Keynes, Buckhamshire is about equidistance from Ilkeston to the east, and Colchester to the north (about 70 miles or so in either direction). We know he lived in Ilkeston in 2003 according to the U.K. census reports. A cached version of his LinkedIn page (before he deleted it entirely) gave his location as Colchester before he edited it to say that he lived in Milton Keynes. Our guess is that Colchester is correct, and then he edited that after thinking better of it. It is unlikely that he would modify posted information to be more honest rather than less honest, so we believe his actual location to be Colchester at this point. We think he might have selected Milton Keynes as a stated location because he would probably have passed through that town on his way to Colchester during a move. Both Colchester and Milton Keynes are the borrough of Buckinghamshire. Ilkeston is in Derbyshire.
Occupation: Website construction and hosting
Family of five, including a son and daughter and a new baby.
Claims to have a degenerative disease of the eye which worsens with age, requiring him to wear glasses with prism properties in the lenses.

[edit] General information

Hosted the leaked JLU wiki on his hosting service at sl4.me.
One of the core members of The Wrong Hands, yet claims no association with Woodbury University despite The Wrong Hands being composed entirely of Woodbury members apart from him.
Founder of the group .JLU WIKI OPT-OUT., and a persistent opponent of the League who has stated his intent to steal a new copy of the BrainiacWiki over the short term. The January 2011 change in League recruiting policy makes this extremely unlikely.
Adams, one of the key members of the members of The Wrong Hands, and the person who hosted the entire body of stolen work from the Justice League Unlimited BrainiacWiki in January of 2010, representing about 47% of the actual contents of the BrainiacWiki at the time. He makes his living building web pages for local businesses and hosting them on his server via an ISP based in Leeds. His real life identity was revealed in an email he sent to Kalel Venkman in response to an email query sent to the admin address of the Tux's Blog - sl4.me web site.
He has admitted in public (in comments on the Herald) that he uses no more than a 1.5Mb/s connection to get onto Second Life, and uses a proxy which he leaves engaged all the time. This explains why we've never been able to catch him on alt abuse.

[edit]Profile

Note here that many of his complaints about the League center on our BrainiacWiki, and how it's used to store information about people's avatar's activities on Second Life - yet, he proclaims himself protected under the very same principles that protect the BrainiacWiki and the League from legitimate complaint and accusation in his profile:
TOS Disclosure on restricts disclosing information in game, it does not and can not
prevent disclosure on external websites. I will use your chat and IM's as I see fit.
If you don't like this, don't talk to me. Simple!

Just because I don't care,
it doesn't mean I don't understand!

Díreach mar ní féidir liom cúram,
Ní chiallaíonn sé nach féidir liom a thuiscint!
The last phrase is Gaelic, and is a precise translation of the previous English phrase.
He has now taken care to hide all his groups, including .JLU WIKI OPT-OUT. and The Wrong Hands. Apparently it is not quite as popular a thing to be a member of those groups as it once was.
As of January 16, 2011, we noted that his profile now simply reads "The end is nigh". Whether this refers to his plans for the League, for Second Life, or refers to his suspicion that his own account will be deleted soon is not clear.
1/22 saw a return of the original profile statement and Tuxes profile picture swapped to a batman styled TWH logo. Tux Has been adamant that he is NOT a griefer, and in one respect that is true: the Tux Winkler account has never been documented as 'attacking' a sandbox. However, Tux seems to selectively forget that encouraging and enabling Griefers, is in itself Griefing. He is most likely to attempt a Troll more than anything else, so My personal advice.. is to ignore him or mute him entirely failing that --Vagabond Carter 03:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

[edit]Details

What follows is raw, unedited information from Vakesh Ishtari, who stepped forward to offer information on Winkler as his civic duty.
One item of information that came out is that Tux operates Tibetstars as a charity for Tibetan orphans. Vakesh believes that this is a fake charity, and that Tux is committing a rather massive fraud and may be using Second Life to launder money.
Blog » Second Life Mobsters. Whoever the author is seems to hate Winkler and Vakesh equally, really really doesn't like Winkler, or his mate Tuxette Magic, and the venomous approach the author takes in this blog reeks of desperation at his inability to do anything substantive about him. He erroneously notes that Tux is banned from either Second Life or Modular Systems. Which he was banned from is not clear from the web site.
Dear mr. Venkman,
I wish to bring the following information to your attention.

Tux Wrinkler is using tibetstar's -charity- to line his own pocket's, he's the founder of the european heritage, and also a vivid poster on stormfront.org, being into the neo-nazi scene.
Scroll down to PatriotUK's post. Virtual Worlds - Page 6 - Stormfront Which proof's how deep Tux is really into the organisation. He's actualy a very active griefer, one of his friends. Serina MacArthur(whom he has indecent contact with. Oh but he's married right?) together with her -rping- partner. Have a minor on their adult sim which i can proof to beyond any reasonable doubt... Running a slave camp but using voice and not text (to avoid issues with words being used against them) Serina MacArthur violates the ToS Daily together with Tux Wrinkler and Zen Gloom, creating alts on a massive scale for a game called BloodLines to use Huds, to get their "souls" to sell for ingame profiteering of Lindens. I can tell you right off the bat that whatever Tux says, is what he says to make you look bad. And make him look like the hero. What you do with all of this information is up to you, but i've had close dealings with these people. Seeing JLU fall was rough, and i feel a injustice had been done.

Kind regards,
Vakesh his player.
[19:19] Kalel Venkman: Thank you, Vakesh.
[19:19] Vakesh Ishtari: You are quite welcome.
[19:19] Kalel Venkman: As an aside, the League did not fall. We're still just
fine.
[19:19] Kalel Venkman: However, Woodbury DID fall.
[19:19] Kalel Venkman: Woodbury University Banned From Second Life (Again) | KRYPTON RADIO
[19:20] Kalel Venkman: All their sims, all their admins, all their spinoff
groups, all destroyed.
[19:21] Vakesh Ishtari: I've looked up on what was happening, i will be honest. I
do know know the full scope of what is going on, but
considering Mr Tux had a ban for a few days and some websites got deleted with
content from the JLU wiki i assume there were alot of violations that were going
on.
[19:21] Vakesh Ishtari: Hmm yes, reading about Woodbury right now.
[19:21] Kalel Venkman: SLChan.com was destroyed.
[19:22] Kalel Venkman: Some wiki leak host pages were destroyed, but it was a
game of whack-a-mole.
[19:22] Vakesh Ishtari: will JLU recover from this?
[19:22] Kalel Venkman: Tux was a member of the group "The Wrong Hands" which
stole our wiki, and was permabanned for a few days over it.
[19:23] Kalel Venkman: The JLU has already recovered - new projects are in the
works, and applications are up, and in light of our victory over
Woodbury, spirits are understandably high.
[19:24] Kalel Venkman: It's uh .. kinda hard to keep from wanting to burst out
into song and dance, really.
[19:24] Kalel Venkman:
[19:24] Vakesh Ishtari: well if you want more information of known griefers,
i've got a bundle of info on quite a few. Which i must say, am sad to be
confronted with.

Tux

[19:25] Kalel Venkman: I'd love to compare notes with you.
[19:25] Kalel Venkman: Starting with Winkler. That guy needs to be taken out.
[19:25] Vakesh Ishtari: was the information on Tux helpful?
[19:25] Kalel Venkman: What's the nature of your evidence on him?
[19:25] Vakesh Ishtari: Well if you can see, he is linked to stormfront.
[19:25] Kalel Venkman: Yes..
[19:26] Kalel Venkman: I meant about the aiding a minor to access the grid.
[19:26] Vakesh Ishtari: well for once he's a nazi. he also made youtube vid's
defaming two SL players.
[19:27] Kalel Venkman: Sounds like he needs an expose of his own written.
[19:28] Kalel Venkman: But for starters, we'll do some research.
[19:28] Kalel Venkman: This is a good lead, we needed a break on information on
him, and here it is.
[19:28] Vakesh Ishtari: oh that... well. I will openingly admit it. I was
roleplaying with this person called f1r38ird Aries. They told me they were 22,
they went into perversion on voice with zen gloom and serina macarthur, and tux
wrinkler, they are into the bloodlines thing hench they make alts, to sell the
souls, and Tux has put bloodline and lycan vendor boards up to sell the huds
from. Once i realized she was a minor i discontinued the relationship, i found
out by her rl gaming profile. Tux, Serina and Zen know her real age but accept
her on a adult sim anyways.
[19:29] Vakesh Ishtari: After i delved more into Tux i found out about tibetstars
and the fact mr Tux was a the founder of european heritage, from that point on i
searched more.. and found that info on Stormfront.
[19:29] Vakesh Ishtari: no offense, but why would a nazi help tibetan children?

[19:31] Vakesh Ishtari: they also have a feud going with a certain Jocephus
character, i befriended this person to see what they were about. All i can say
is, its all rotten down to the core.
[19:31] Vakesh Ishtari: btw, its interesting to see your a fellow eve player.
[19:31] Kalel Venkman: Eve?
[19:31] Kalel Venkman: I think I tried it once.
[19:31] Vakesh Ishtari: eve online.
[19:31] Vakesh Ishtari: hah i'm still on it.
[19:32] Vakesh Ishtari: ok as for the rest of the information. Tux was part of a
griefer group called Emortalz.
[19:32] Vakesh Ishtari: run by Jocephus Gearz, jocephus started with the group as
a simple group for fun as part of the sl bloodlines.
[19:34] Vakesh Ishtari: Serina Macarthur was also part of this Group, so was Zen
Gloom, after a AR against them of the adult sim their bloodman sim got put from
mature to adult, but LL still hasn't done anything about the minor. Or Tux, or
the alt creation above the house hold number.
[19:34] Vakesh Ishtari: Jocephus wants to get back at Tux for his betrayel, and
Tux and Serina kept annoying him, so they started a griefer war on eachoter.
[19:35] Vakesh Ishtari: Sir, trust me on this. Tux is a man with masks.
[19:35] Kalel Venkman: Sounds like it.
[19:36] Kalel Venkman: You've given us a great deal of useful information - we
can really do something with this.
[19:38] Vakesh Ishtari: Sir, i was at bloodmoon, Tux was on voice, while zen was
also on voice, doing perversion with their slave pet and minor they pulled off
the teen grid. Zen's kids were in his room and he was doing this on voice. And i
have no doubt Tux Wrinkler didnt mind what was happening either. This behaviour
run's this online medium. I understand LL's need to make money but you can't turn
a blind eye to everything. I dont feel like standing still, or walking away when
i see things like that. I want to do something.
[19:40] Vakesh Ishtari: so was Tux reported if i may ask? because on the 15th of
April he got banned for a day from SL and he had to remove a post. I assume this
was about JLU.
[19:41] Kalel Venkman: A post - can you be more specific?
[19:42] Kalel Venkman: April 15th, eh? Oh - it might have been because he linked
to a URL about the League in his personal profile.
[19:42] Kalel Venkman: Tux has been reported for various things.
[19:43] Kalel Venkman: But what happened this last time was that he was part of
the Wrong Hands group that infiltrated the League and stole our wiki in the first
place.
[19:43] Kalel Venkman: And that group was strongly tied to Tizzers Foxchase.
[19:43] Kalel Venkman: And everything Tizzers Foxchase owned or touched has been
removed from Second Life.
[19:44] Vakesh Ishtari: Wasn't Tizzers part of patriotic nigra's...
[19:45] Vakesh Ishtari: because i do know Tux had links with that group at one
point.
[19:46] Vakesh Ishtari: i wont lie to you, i was part of emortalz too, thats why
i know Tux and Serina, and Zen so well, Zen's inventory was being searched by LL,
serina had tons of ban's too. And Tux seemed to...evade most of the prosecution,
till now.
[19:47] Kalel Venkman: Yes, Tizzers was in the PN, that's correct. He denies it,
but everybody knows he was.
[19:48] Vakesh Ishtari: i know he was because some of the people in emortalz...
know about PN a little to much.
19:49] Kalel Venkman: This meshes with other information we have - we had never
heard of the emortalz till now, though.
[19:49] Kalel Venkman: Is it spelled 'eMortalz', with a lower case e?
[19:51] Vakesh Ishtari: yes, they were a vampire clan on the bloodlines game, Tux
is with his many alts in the bloodmoon one, were zen is -king- with his queen
serina and f1r38ird aries, the minor. Which i can proof too, was a minor at the
time (their legal now) but that does not take away they allowed her to be on
there for over eight months knowing their real age fully well. Tux Wrinkler,
Tuxette Magic, Zen Gloom, Serina MacArthur were all part of that group.
[19:51] Vakesh Ishtari: the group's leader was Jocephus Gearz
[19:53] Vakesh Ishtari: he kicked all three out of his group and disbanded
eMortalz, after that they have been at eachoter's throats continuously.

[edit]Web Sites Temporarily Down

In his email to Kalel of October 18, Adams claims that the sites Tux's Blog - sl4.me and BrainiacWiki went down due to a hardware failure. This is unlikely to be true, as hosting services create backups of customer's sites routinely in case something like that ever happened. The domains have apparently been redirected to new servers. An email to the original hosting service from which these servers operated may provide better insight as to exactly what happened. Note that the original wiki leak from 2007 hosted by Hazim Gazov also vanished due to what he called a "hardware fault", and that Tizzers Foxchase's SLChan web site also vanished under the same excuse. It is interesting that unrecoverable hardware faults seem to plague the griefer organizations to this degree.
His own blog site returned in November, a month later, but without the illegal materials from the JLU BrainiacWiki in evidence.
In keeping with typical griefer psychology, Adams can neither bring himself to admit defeat, own up to the illegitimacy of his actions or take any responsibility for them, and his response is full of taunts and empty threats. Note the following classic indications that Adams understands his circumstances.

Feigns disinterest now that the day is lost