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charitystohr · 08-23-2011, 06:44 PM

Wow, I leave the internets for a couple days and now there's overwhelming support for the SL to pass the Keene Act. This calls for tacos.

Tux · 08-23-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

I tried hard to get him to explain to me why he felt it was okay to do this research and to allow others to access it, but the best i could come up with is his repeated insistence that he was asked to by the CIA and Scotland Yard.

Wow, I nearly choked on my Jelly beans right then. He is now working for international government agencies? Then why isn't the data on secure servers?

**Elysium Hynes** · 08-23-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

...
STUFF I HAVEN'T SAID BEFORE:

So I talked to Kalel on one of my other accounts. I feel so dirty now.
He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material and that hes sent multiple complaints to the FBI using this stuff.
He claims allot of the stuff here is fabricated or old and out of date. I'm neither willing to say its all accurate or its all been tampered with. I don't care. he confirmed enough on his own that I wish i could arrest him myself.
He claims that he's out of scope of Hippa because he isn't a health care worker. he might be, but im pretty sure that he would still fall under one of the many other laws covering it.
He definitely has a very warped outlook and claims to be very eager to show the FBI and CIA the "evidence" he has on various people. I suggested he contact their field office in Chicago if he's so eager to share.
I tried hard to get him to explain to me why he felt it was okay to do this research and to allow others to access it, but the best i could come up with is his repeated insistence that he was asked to by the CIA and Scotland Yard.
As you can imagine I'm 99% certain neither of these agencies asked him for this information. At best, I can believe Scotland Yard -may- have asked him for more identifying information if he contacted them about someone and only had a screen name for them.
I have NEVER heard of any agency asking for information about family members of someone, nor any kind of medical conditions EXCEPT in very certain circumstances, and even then its very much usually along the lines of "do they have a condition that might cause them to harm themselves or others?"
The only times we ask about family is when we are actually going to make an arrest or otherwise confront someone and we want to know where they might be, or who might be able to talk them into meeting with us or turning themselves in.

Personally, I feel that Kalel is mentally unstable and dangerous and needs either prison or at least full time mental health care. That is my personal opinion.

Ok this is totally twisted and out of this world the man belives he is working for the FBI and the Scotland yard? seriously people

**Victor1st** · 08-23-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

is his repeated insistence that he was asked to by the CIA and Scotland Yard.

OMFG

Does he even know what New Scotland Yard is? The Yard is nothing more than the Metropolitan Police for the city of London. The Yard has absolutely NO RIGHT outside of the burgh of London jurisdiction, and if they was in the process of investigating someone outside the shores or even within the shores of the UK ya think they would go to the JLU?

LMAO!!! We have MI.6 and MI.5 for that.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Yard

**Elysium Hynes** · 08-23-2011, 06:48 PM

GLE after what Cummere posted i seriously advise you to contact your laywer and stop posting cause atm you´re in this up to your neck.

charitystohr · 08-23-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

BLAH BLAH BLAH I HAVE AN OPINION

GLE, I don't think you've noticed but, you're defending the undefendable, and not in a Walter Block sort of way. More of an OJ Simpson sort of way.

Potosi · 08-23-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysium Hynes

GLE after what Cummere posted i seriously advise you to contact your laywer and stop posting cause atm you´re in this up to your neck.

No he needs to keep posting. More rope to be fed yet.

Ryokashi · 08-23-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

That classification is for JLU internal use only. You don't have a vote in the matter.

When you are classifying every resident you see and then sending mass abuse reports and compiling personal information on them, yes, I do think we have a say in the matter.

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

When a person is dying, it's hard to hold previous griefing episodes against him. Deadly Codec was dying, apparently, and that's what the discussion was about. You'll notice no one said "It serves him right" or "Good riddance" or anything else inappropriate in that chat log, and no one would have. We all just wanted to offer condolences if we could. It would be inhuman not to.

If by offer condolences you mean track down his relatives and read their Facebook feeds to attempt to prove that he is dying, sure. Then while stalking is family and looking at PICTURES OF HIM ON HIS DEATHBED saying in a meeting that you are going to write a memorial for him to try and make yourselves look better.

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of his from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn't eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn't have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died.

So you even went as far as to lie and claim to be his friend to contact his sister? Holy shit. You were stalking a guy on his deathbed who you had demonized. You said you don't like to collect real life information then you actually contacted his sister.

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

That whole affair could have gone much differently with a different group, but I never had any doubt how JLU would react.

You mean writing articles trying to use Deadly Codec as a tool for your cause, then having Kalel send me angry emails for attempting to comment pointing that out? Sure.

**Elysium Hynes** · 08-23-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of his from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn't eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn't have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died.

That whole affair could have gone much differently with a different group, but I never had any doubt how JLU would react.

You are a total creep and a stalker.

CheerGirl Allen · 08-23-2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

...
He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material ...

I bet they did because the NSA asked me to create The Bimbo Cheerleaders in order to help thier Echelon system gather blackmail photos and info on politicans who use SL to explore thier kinks

Potosi · 08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysium Hynes

You are a total creep and a stalker.

What would really be damning is if somebody contacted this guys sister and told them what had really happened. I'm sure the family would be calling his place of employment (especially considering his job) and demanding some answers for his behavior and actions.

Atlas Saintlouis · 08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robble Rubble

If the JLU are banned from some place and know about it there is a good chance they will just get on "burnable" alts to AR you.

This is completely true. In fact, the JLU routinely sent alts into Red Square and Revolution despite their main accounts being on the estate ban list. They did this with the intention of reporting people they thought were griefers and for "recon" missions. Perhaps there are logs in the new wiki that could find instances of this to show in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Trasee Darkwatch

Came back this morning and saw GLE laughing at the comments about Immy's information. I might have been neutral toward him earlier in this this thread but not anymore. The arrogance in thinking it is funny to store information in this fashion. The fact that the information is taken out of context and shown in a negative light is even more distasteful. I just can't seem to find the words to express how upset I am with the arrogance and hubris of GLE, Kalel, and the rest of the JLU members.

This is exactly why I disagree with my own friends in The Wrong Hands when they occasionally post that they think GLE is a decent individual. I deal with hypocritical fuckheads on a daily basis in my career and could see right through GLE's passive-aggressive, self righteous bullshit and it does not appear that I am the only one

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Originally Posted by zip paz

But this is not how the world works, GLE. When Sony was hacked and lost all that information on people, Sony was in trouble for not having better security and letting it happen. Yes the people who did it were at fault too but Sony got in even worse trouble, and wound up in front of congress, because they waited to inform people of how dire the situation actually was and who was affected by it.

This right here is going to be what does them in. While maintaining the information alone is bad enough, keeping it about as secure as a hooker's belt is going to be a wake up call for them. I think it is funny that their member, Vagabond Carter, has a web radio show called "Stark Reality" on their Krypton Radio website and I can think of no better name for what this is about to become.

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Originally Posted by Economic Engineer

Why the fuck is Linden Lab allowing these people inworld? They've been posting dox of residents in inworld local chat for how many years now? I bet you they could ban all of them for RL discloure in seconds.

Whereas the release of unsecured private information will potentially be their reckoning in RL, the pressure felt by LL from concerned residents and the subsequent investigation into these little JLU weekly meetings of theirs will quite possibly lead to their reckoning in SL.

**sorry for the long post, just got home from work and caught up.

Ann Otoole · 08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CheerGirl Allen

Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

...
He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material ...

I bet they did because the NSA asked me to create The Bimbo Cheerleaders in order to help thier Echelon system gather blackmail photos and info on politicans who use SL to explore thier kinks

hey that shit is top secret bananas noforn. yer up shit creek. off to the interrogation lab for you. the dental tools await your arrival.

Ashiri · 08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CheerGirl Allen

Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

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He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material ...

I bet they did because the NSA asked me to create The Bimbo Cheerleaders in order to help thier Echelon system gather blackmail photos and info on politicans who use SL to explore thier kinks

Sure it wasn't the Illuminati?

Tux · 08-23-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of his from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn't eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn't have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died..

TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING!

**Misty Harley** · 08-23-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

stuff

I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of his from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn't eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn't have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died.

You just turned my stomach:

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[08:38 AM] Kalel Venkman: It rather does.
[08:39 AM] Kalel Venkman: I think photos of people with Deadly on his death bed are probably good enough corroboration.
[08:40 AM] Jeffrey Essex: well can send prays sympthy and all that but should we exuse the eactions?
[08:41 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Still, we really need some independent confirmation to verify it. It could very well be true but then again, still possible it might not be without independent verification.
[09:06 AM] Kalel Venkman: Deadly was a lost soul from the beginning.
[09:07 AM] Jeffrey Essex: Don't have to show up but send a message is what I mean
[09:07 AM] Kalel Venkman: I'm very sad that he has come to this end without a chance to make things right.
[09:08 AM] Kara Timtam: Maybe each will look at his own life and get serious. Maybe. Even one, would be an improvement.

Glad you got your 'independent verification'

**Velvet Bikcin** · 08-23-2011, 06:56 PM

Assholes.

Vanish · 08-23-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

Look friend, I don't say this lightly, but: Please, fuck off, fucker.

charitystohr · 08-23-2011, 06:57 PM

GLE, Is Kalel really working with the Culinary Institute of America?

NotoriousD · 08-23-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

That classification is for JLU internal use only. You don't have a vote in the matter.

Just like Carter said that the JLU are not accountable to anyone but themselves. I seriously find this funny though, so I'll bite:

Is this quoted statement serious at all, GLE? So, you're basically admitting that when the JLU labels someone a griefer, that person is irrefutably a griefer and nothing they do or say changes the JLU's minds?

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Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo

STUFF I HAVEN'T SAID BEFORE:

So I talked to Kalel on one of my other accounts. I feel so dirty now.
He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material and that hes sent multiple complaints to the FBI using this stuff.

OHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wow. Suddenly the claims that Grunfeld said they were having the FBI investigate the 2010 leak make sense! They think they have contacts. How cuuute.

Sione · 08-23-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Misty Harley

are you implying something Sione

*hits refresh four times waiting for the reply to find out*

Nope, sorry to get you excited. Just noting that if I was him right now with all this shit exploding around me I wouldn't be trolling forums non stop.

**Elysium Hynes** · 08-23-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by charitystohr

GLE, Is Kalel really working with the Culinary Institute of America?

He might as well be since he´s working with everyone else.

Potosi · 08-23-2011, 07:00 PM

Almost sad that we need a shared security system that bans all the JLU and any other of their obvious alts from our land. Also those who help them get around bannings like the person mentioned at the furry sim (can't remember the name) that was brought up several pages ago.

Couldbe Yue · 08-23-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern Excelsior

Last time someone complained about this, I visualized an entry in the wiki, but instead of a list of personal information, it would be just a series of hyperlinks to the locations all over the web where they had posted their personal data. I suppose people would find a reason to dislike that too.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the phone call you told me about was someone looking for an Internet Service Provider to report people's RL information posted on the sl4.me domain. It comes in handy when you can be your own ISP.

There is no vetting and no privacy policy. The people who are referenced in wiki articles all placed their information in public places on the Internet.

Any member can designate any resident as a griefer. There's no listed criteria for adding or removing that designation. No one outside JLU can even see it.

The music stream wasn't Krypton Radio. I don't recall what it was. The music stream may not even be relevant but I'm not sure how that works.

I don't know anything about your ban from Krypton Radio.

It could be about the wiki!

We don't know. I had the impression that it was just a few pages. It appears to me that there are certain nuggets of gold being extracted from a large store of information, though. Only time will tell, unless the owner wants to offer more information about the leak.

Thanks, you have stated my position exactly.

Maybe some clarification is in order. JLU is not like a monarchy where everyone bows down to the king, and it's not like an Army where everyone salutes the superior officer of the next higher rank. It's like a family, where everyone is more or less equal to everyone else. My opinion is worth as much as the next guy's, and we're all encouraged to say what we think. Crossing the line from SL to RL is not a good thing in my opinion, and I said so. After that, I wasn't going to stand on the table and hold my breath until I turned blue if I didn't get my way. What they were discussing there was not harassment or stalking, in my opinion. It sounded to me like it was mostly joking, but when it started looking like they were serious, I spoke up. And you'll notice, there were no repercussions, no "Sit down and shut up, GLE" or anything like that. So that's kind of a sneak peek at the inner workings of the group.

That classification is for JLU internal use only. You don't have a vote in the matter.

I talked to Baht after it happened. I asked, but he didn't know how it was done. Maybe he used his SL password on a hostile discussion board or something. I wouldn't jump to accuse LL of anything.

When a person is dying, it's hard to hold previous griefing episodes against him. Deadly Codec was dying, apparently, and that's what the discussion was about. You'll notice no one said "It serves him right" or "Good riddance" or anything else inappropriate in that chat log, and no one would have. We all just wanted to offer condolences if we could. It would be inhuman not to.

Deadly made no secret of who he was or where he lived in RL. He wrote articles for a small local newspaper and posted in the Alphaville Herald and elsewhere about his terminal illness. He IMed me once at a GTeam office hours meeting under an alt named Adromor Weirwright. He friended me and invited me to protest with him at the headquarters of ... whatever the SL Marketplace used to be called. He was angry at their discussion board policy. A few days later, he was unable to resist the urge to grief the place, so Adromor was permabanned.

I had been watching that Facebook page too. I took the opportunity to contact one of his sisters on her Facebook page. I told her that I was a friend of his from Second Life, and asked if she would mention my name and tell him I was thinking about him. She responded that he was unconscious, hadn't eaten in three days, and the doctors said he didn't have much time left. Two days later, she notified me that he had died.

That whole affair could have gone much differently with a different group, but I never had any doubt how JLU would react.

you really are devoid of basic humanity aren't you? you've just confirmed that you lot are basically a group of the mentally unhinged.

**Velvet Bikcin** · 08-23-2011, 07:01 PM

If there was ever a time that emoticons were innapropriate for you GLE, this thread would be it.

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CheerGirl Allen Bimbo Squad****** Silly Cheerleader Join Date: May 2008 Location: Israel Posts: 264 My Mood: SL Join Date: 4/15/2007 Business: The Bimbo Cheerleaders - SL Cheerleading Networks - Bimbo Toys	Originally Posted by Cummere Mayo ... He is insisting that this wiki is a private research document and that Scotland Yard and the CIA asked him to gather this material ... I bet they did because the NSA asked me to create The Bimbo Cheerleaders in order to help thier Echelon* system gather blackmail photos and info on politicans who use SL to explore thier kinks*

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