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Old 08-23-2011, 12:30 PM   #2851 (permalink)
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I wonder since Zen is also close to Greenzone thru Azure will greenzone try to detect sims that use phantom zone?
I think the group as a whole should seriously consider a notice about this as soon as possible.
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I wonder since Zen is also close to Greenzone thru Azure will greenzone try to detect sims that use phantom zone?
I for one will be pushing for the detection to be built into the GZ hud. I imagine a lot of others will do the same. There is a lot of anger against PhantomZone and the JLU in GreenZone chat now. Though I fear it will be for nought, since I recall earlier in this thread reading some of the JLU people talking about how the GZ hud will be incapable of detecting the PhantomZone nodes. Then again, I am not a techspert. The creator of the hud would be the one to talk to about that. He seems quite a receptive guy, from the few dealings I have had with him. I think he would take an interest in updating the hud if he can, if that's what group members want.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:33 PM   #2854 (permalink)
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I just put the troll on ignore. Makes life much easier. He's obviously from the JLU hoping to obfuscate the issues by trolling (and failing miserably at it).
Yes, I would suggest that to people as well. I was amused to see that, even after my being in flame wars and heated discussions from time to time, my ignore list here was otherwise empty.
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I would like to take a moment out of my very busy schedule (eating fritos) to thank one particular poster in general for allowing this thread to remain at the top of the list ever since he started posting.

Your contribution has not gone un-noticed.

The person you ask?

"The The"

Kind soul that he is, every time this thread starts to die...he just hops right in and starts it back up again.

So grateful.

(I do see what your doing.....again that whole Bored Housewives club (which should be renamed to Frito Eating Club but that's beside the point) Not much escapes us)
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I would like to take a moment out of my very busy schedule (eating fritos) to thank one particular poster in general for allowing this thread to remain at the top of the list ever since he started posting.

Your contribution has not gone un-noticed.

The person you ask?

"The The"

Kind soul that he is, every time this thread starts to die...he just hops right in and starts it back up again.

So grateful.

(I do see what your doing.....again that whole Bored Housewives club (which should be renamed to Frito Eating Club but that's beside the point) Not much escapes us)
YVW!

And since you are so being so kind I will restrain myself from commenting on this: "Not much escapes us"

Because I'm awesome like that...............

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Old 08-23-2011, 12:38 PM   #2857 (permalink)
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I would like to take a moment out of my very busy schedule (eating fritos) to thank one particular poster in general for allowing this thread to remain at the top of the list ever since he started posting.

Your contribution has not gone un-noticed.

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"The The"

Kind soul that he is, every time this thread starts to die...he just hops right in and starts it back up again.

So grateful.

Yes, bravo! Perhaps he could also help us out inworld by being a troll-in-resident in people's stores all day, to get their traffic count up. Such a publically minded troll. We salute you, sir! And so inoffensive, since we all decided not to bother reading whatever the heck it is he says.
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I think the group as a whole should seriously consider a notice about this as soon as possible.
GZ works by object name detection, right? If that is the case I am sure the remark by Kalel that he wanted to name it "object" is specifically to get around it. No doubt another method will be used though, even if it requires having to add a patch to TPVs to do it.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:40 PM   #2859 (permalink)
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GZ works by object name detection, right? If that is the case I am sure the remark by Kalel that he wanted to name it "object" is specifically to get around it. No doubt another method will be used though, even if it requires having to add a patch to TPVs to do it.
If I remember correctly, GZ was the exact reason he wanted to rename it 'object' although he did it under the presumption the person with it on their property would be harassed.

Which, considering all the information that came to light.....he apparently realized shit somewhere was gonna hit the fan eventually.
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(I do see what your doing.....again that whole Bored Housewives club (which should be renamed to Frito Eating Club but that's beside the point) Not much escapes us)
Can I be the token Bored Househusband? I'm not married, so technically I'm not a husband, but I am the domestic of the household and I do loves me some Fritos and can brew a mean cuppa.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:49 PM   #2864 (permalink)
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:52 PM   #2865 (permalink)
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... He's obviously from the JLU hoping to obfuscate the issues...
I doubt he's from the JLU. I think it's more like:



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... by trolling (and failing miserably at it).
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:13 PM   #2867 (permalink)
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Look I gotta be honest with you guys. Beyond the JLU saying stuff about Soft I don't think the guy's done anything wrong.

Being a Linden is probably a hard job and the guy's pretty active so it's not surprising he winds up handling stuff to do with those idiots (since they're pretty active in all the wrong ways).

But what we do know is
1) The JLU will lie
2) The JLU wants you to think they have the support of Linden Labs
3) The JLU blows shit out of proportion

Until Soft actually steps up and answers this shit as true or false I just can't believe he _really_ cares about the JLU just because they say he does.

Soft's probably just some person, working a 9 to 5 and trying to make sure there's enough money saved to play paintball on the weekend. I doubt Soft care's for the JLU beyond "Well I'm going to tell them what they want to hear, so they stfu and leave me alone so I can do my job."

It would actually benefit the JLU if all of you started accusing Soft Linden of doing something wrong when he didn't, so stop. He's not even really the issue at hand.
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Look I gotta be honest with you guys. Beyond the JLU saying stuff about Soft I don't think the guy's done anything wrong
I have said this a couple of times now and been ignored. The Anti-Linden brigade will be back for another pass to bash soft shortly.

On the upside Zip, you have saved me re-posting my question again this page.

Also, Couldbe Yue one punched Chuck Norris so hard, Bruce Lee felt it. I know this is true because a member of JLU said his mate had told him it was true.
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I think most people here trust Soft´s ability to keep his job better then the JLU´s ability to tell the truth.
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I doubt he's from the JLU.
I got excited that we actually had a WINNER, but once I got past that initial excitement, I realized you had used the word "doubt".

Sorry pal!

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Also, Couldbe Yue one punched Chuck Norris so hard, Bruce Lee felt it. I know this is true because a member of JLU said his mate had told him it was true.



that was supposed to be a secret!
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JLU I am not
which should be plainly obvious by now, Captain.
I've only read the posts on this page but the most obvious word that springs to my mind is fuckwit. This smug "I know something you don't and I'm stroking myself with the excitement" was already old during the CDS uproar last year. Now it's tiresome.
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So while I was gone, this thread grew about 20 pages, and I got piled on in the SL group Green Zone Users, and I had to slog through pages here reporting on that. Interesting how the objection to sharing things like chatlogs evaporates in the heat of moral outrage.
Right or wrong, I am not really that concerned with the sharing of chat logs or emails (by anyone) at this time. I think it's bad form and all that, but personally, I don't want to see us clouding the data mining of people's real life information with side issues that are far less concerning.

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I have been a member of Green Zone Users for a long time, originally working behind the scenes for one of the moderators analyzing what the zfRedZone device did and how it was collecting information. As a long standing member of that group I make myself available to answer concerns they have of the Phantom Zone, but as its been pointed out even though its been debunked that Phantom Zone ever collected IP addresses [s]it's gone way beyond that.
I actually believe you. I don't believe that Phantom Zone is currently collecting IP addresses. Like you, I wish people would concentrate less on this issue and instead focus on the date mining of real life information. It's a far bigger issue.

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Somewhere in the past 20 or so pages someone has said that no JLU member has stepped up and said the collection of real life information on the bwiki is wrong. I have said that I have not participated in the collection of real life data, I do not think it is right, and I do not use it. Personally I think the collection of any information that does not pertain directly the peacekeeping or educational mission of the JLU should not be collected. There I have said it is wrong.
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I often disagree with the leadership of the JLU on a number of topics, and often am cast in the role as the "loyal opposition", or sometimes I will subject assertions to the Socratic Method to fully investigate their worthiness instead of accepting them on face value.
Thank you for saying this. It does mean a lot to me personally. I can bitch and moan and get as angry as the day is long, but your group doesn't know me, you don't know me, we aren't friends. My opinion can be easily discarded because I am just an anonymous forum poster on SLU (well, unless I have a wiki page that is < ---- that's a joke.) It gives me a small glimmer of hope that maybe someone in that group can voice an opinion about all this that will actually be weighed and heard by the rest of the group. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but maybe it will break through eventually.

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In all my dealings I have striven to be upright and forthcoming. Just as I find amusing that publicly disclosing real life information about myself or other JLU members is "expected" or that we "deserved" it because members of this organization collected real life information too.
Personally, I find it just as reprehensible that your (or any member of your group) real life information should be posted for public digestion as I feel about the posting of anyone's real life information. I am just as concerned about YOUR safety as I am concerned about anyone's safety. This stuff is getting REAL real life here. Honestly, I don't want to see people ban hammered out of Second Life over all this and that includes members of your group. I don't want to stop you from enjoying your Second Life the way you choose. I just want real life to stay out of it. I have yet to hear ONE compelling argument that would justify data mining someone's real life information for the purpose of stopping griefing in a virtual world. Not one. Frankly, other than copied and pasted convos from Kalel, I have heard no one even attempt to try.

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Having read that paragraph, I believe the reason why the fuck a sim owner was informed of a security breach on their sim is to assure a sim owner that what seemed to be a malicious act by a tenant was not in fact perpetuated by that account. In other words to clear up the name of an innocent party. Seems like a stand up thing to do in my opinion.
I actually find this plausible. Not what was relayed previously, but this could hold some water. I am still not sure what I believe though and still find it a side issue to the whole data mining of people's real life information.

Try to understand, it's a little hard for us to believe given the fact that Zfire Xue also said he was in direct communication with the Lindens and they were on his side as well. Thus, his legacy has made it a little harder for you to make many of us believe essentially the same claim.

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Just as a large number of people have accepted an allegation that Phantom Zone collects IP addresses from an anonymous source. The main difference here is that my information came from someone I count as a friend, and who I know. You seem to take at face value everything that has been cherry picked from stolen documents, why can you doubt the veracity of information that was presented to me, yet accept everything from thelistsl at face value?
I don't accept anything here at face value. I weigh it against what you, GLE and other members of your group have said in response (yes, I have paid attention to what you've said). Maybe I am missing something, but no one I know of, from your group, has stated in this thread, even once, that the wiki information leaked and posted here was fabricated and planted. That authenticity of the pages leaked here and elsewhere haven't really been in debate in this thread have they? They might be a little confusing and require some reading between the lines, but I don't think anyone on either side has claimed they were forged. As such, I really don't need to accept them at face value, because their validity hasn't been in debate.
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The worst part of storing quotes like that is it completely misses the context. Without the context, a message and meaning can be changed completely. I'm almost scared to know what things that I might have posted here that have been taken out of context and posted in their wiki.

If we have learned *nothing* else from the past 111 pages we have learned that the JLU does not understand the meaning or application of "context".

Really.
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