Ann Otoole

Perhaps you should query @rodvik on twitter about that.

Qie Niangao

"There has been much excitement lately," indeed.

I would just mention that, AFAIK, the Greenzone HUD source was never made public. Although they stopped reporting the location of grid-wide Redzone detections, we really do not know what data it may have collected about the folks wearing it, their travels, their associations... or maybe nothing.

I felt a lot better about that before Azure started sticking up for JLU on the jira (here and here), and now we know why.

Ann Otoole

Why? They file ARs from their private region nobody but them has access to. LL entertains false abuse reports from these people.

I expect everyone in SL that objects to the JLU fraud and abuse to be banned over the next few weeks.

rodvik needs to get control of his governance team.

Elysium Hynes

They can do all they want, they have no reason to AR me, I have never been suspended, I´ve been a premium member for 3 years now, who once had a location on the destination guide, i´m not friends with any Lindens but i´m a squeaky wheel.

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Cummere Mayo

[QUOTE=The fact that they run around in unlicensed copyrighted avs demonstrates very clearly that their ethics are completely arbitrary and that they have no respect for the TOS or CS. One cannot pick and choose which rules to enforce and which to freely violate on a continuous basis for years and years. They are like cops who speed and change lanes without signals, which seems to be an uncomfortably large number of them, although I'm loathe to even compare them with actual law enforcement.[/QUOTE]

Just as an aside here, if you see a cop doing this, feel free to report them to their IA. Unless we are on calls we /are/ supposed to follow traffic laws, though, I will admit I am bad about this. If you catch me doing it, feel free to report me too.

Ann Otoole

JLU runs Linden Lab's governance team. They will ban you if they want to and tell rodvik to fuck off.

Apparently.

Elysium Hynes

If that happens Ann LL will loose a lot of people and power, i doubt they want their grid run by these people.

Ann Otoole

Obviously it is too late. Obviously JLU is LL's governance team and has more authority than the CEO.

Tux

Ok so I commented on kryptonradio.com:



To which they responded by ip banning me from the site (as proved by using a proxy to view it). Well no shock there I guess.

What is a shock though is that my SL account has also been placed on administrative hold. Is this really just a coincidence? I called support and they said I have to file a ticket to find out why I am on hold. This is the third time this has happened btw. Each time just after I comment on kryptonradio. *sigh*

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Sugar

lets hear why a mod for a group designed to protect privacy is endorsing a group that is known to collect rl data of residents including adresses number of children, number of people living at the residence any and all public medical records...

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Ryokashi

They keep IP banning me every time I comment on the site too which is entertaining considering several of the articles written have been related to me. They tell me to read their website for information but oh boy I'm banned from reading their website!!

Tux

From the first leak:

Mad Mouse

A thought occurs. Way back in the thread I posted a screenshot of Soft Linden's page on the JLU wiki. The page is basic information only. If Soft was sympathetic to the JLU as Kalel claims, wouldn't there be more damning evidence on the wiki?

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Robble Rubble

That's from the 2010 rip. We haven't seen Soft's current page.

Elysium Hynes

And they wouldn´t be calling him soft he head would they on that other chat bit don´t remenber where that screenshot was.

Ann Otoole

Nothing is going to happen unless LL gets embarrassed in the tech press. I'm tired of the same old crap over and over. Obviously LL endorses IP address scraping for alt tracking or they would have modified the so-called "media function" to make sure it is an actual media url of a limited variety instead of granting the capability to take a media call and change the mime type to something other than media.

Enjoy the debate but it will go nowhere. JLU will continue to be allowed to do anything they want including violate the TOS. LL may as well give them god mode.

EricCastanea

Is there a list of places that use Phantom Zone, so we can avoid having information gathered about us?

Casey Pelous

*yawn*

I keep having this vision of Pee Wee Herman arguing before The Supreme Court ....

Justice 1: Mr. Herman, how do the statements, "My dog ate it", "Radio, radio", and "sekrit haxors" relate to your motion for reversal?

Justice 2: And, "cooties"?

Herman: ................................................

Herman: I know you are but what am I?!

The crux of their defense is about as substantial as when I was a teen and my mom found rolling papers in my gym bag. All I could come up with was, "Why are you looking through my STUFF?"

That worked just as well as theirs is working.

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Cummere Mayo

I just sent this to Rodvik:

"I want to know why LL is endorsing the release of personal information about users. so far in the thread JLU Harvesting IP Addresses? we have concrete evidence of JLU members discussing in world and posting on a wiki the medical conditions of at least three differant SL users. Do I really need to explain how against the law this is?
Furthermore, we get them posting and sharing information about the families of these users and where they live?
This terrifies me professionally and privately. This is putting the families of these members in the line of fire for any nutjob with a grievance with these families. And since we ALSO have leaked wiki pages with chatlogs of JLU leaders threatening to kill some of these members it is extremely disturbing to have this information posted and being shared.

Its bad enough we now have clear and concrete evidence that governance team has banned multiple residents based in part or whole upon information the JLU has forged without ANY investigation. We even have circumstantial evidence that points towards the conclusion that LL has knowingly allowed JLU to harass residents and buried AR's against those residents AND that LL has excused JLU of violating the copyright and copybot policies.

In addition JLU is now claiming that LL leaks the status of resident accounts. Or more specifically that one particular linden at the moment is doing that. I personally find these accusations hard to believe based upon my own experiences, but either way, LL needs to act and act swiftly.

In particular the following are needed:
A uniform and harsh policy of banning and reporting to law enforcement those that use SL to stalk others.
A uniform and harsh policy of banning and reporting to law enforcement those that release the identities of SL users and/or their families, especially if minors are involved.
A uniform and harsh policy of banning and reporting to law enforcement when parts or whole of a user's medical history are published without their permission.
The option to use an inworld only profile system.
A complete turnover of governance team, and the hiring of a completely new team. It might be a good idea to have retired law enforcement personnel on this team.
A new policy forbidding the policing of SL by any vigilante team such as JLU, SLPD, SL coast guard, etc.

But by allowing these people to remain and failing to turn over all this information as well as any other chatlogs LL has, LL is in the view of a growing portion of the community actively endorsing the JLU's actions. I do not know if these actions actually amount to LL being considered an accessory to the crimes JLU is committing, but that's almost beside the point.

These kinds of information gathering by this group expressly illustrates exactly the kinds of reasons many of us wanted and still want better control over our privacy in SL. All the lindens that stated that we were just being paranoid have been proven wrong. JLU has shown us exactly how much information they can scrape up with just a username and profile as a starting point."

I'm pretty sure my account is probably toast but eh...

Robble Rubble

I still can't fathom how they got they got that green zone users officer to be their shill.

Elysium Hynes

When GreenZone first apeared most of us said be careful we don´t know what it does, and most folks here only used till Sione´s patch was available. I hope Mrs./Mr. Azure twine realizes she just called for the public support of a group that is collecting data way more dangerous than any IP´s and that has a track record of making wiki entries not only on their enemies and also their friends, i do hope Mr.s/Mr. Azure doesn´t find her/himself in that wiki with her full life detailed and dissected by the people she supports publicly.

Tizzers Foxchase

A story about a vigilante superhero group that spends their time stockpiling extremely personal real life information about other users could potentially gain a lot of media traction.

If I was a new user and read about that crap, there's no way I would even consider signing up for SL. Be it within LL's TOS jurisdiction or not, it's happening and it does not look good for them.

Casey Pelous

There's some obscure corner of the tech press that would devote time and space to this rattletrap antique? How quaint!

CheerGirl Allen

Linden Lab may not do anything on behalf of the SL players, but what about on Behalf of DC, Marvel, and Image Comics? That guy Pap Zap or w\ever his name was yesturday had a great idea! Start an E-mail writing campaign to the comic presses letting them know how SL players are using thier Trademarks, copywrites & Chracters to harass and stalk people, Not to mention as well turning a profit selling items on the marketplace that Linden lab gets a % of?

It seems to me that would be a good way to get the JUL and thier sock puppets in REAL BIG Horse puckey! Maybe even get some big lawsuits started. I doubt Linden Lab has the financial or legal resources to go up against DC comics.

Ann Otoole

And what if the comic book owners decide to champion JLU?