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Old 07-27-2011, 06:41 PM   #826 (permalink)
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:57 PM   #827 (permalink)
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:09 PM   #828 (permalink)
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That also means the VICTIMS real name would be readily available.
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I only read the last few pages in this, so apologies if this has already been referred to. Good post from Brad Horowitz with some clear wording. Not the answers some might want or like, but facts rather than speculation.

http://plus.google.com/1131163180080...ts/VJoZMS8zVqU

It's tagged as public so you shouldn't have to log in to read, as I understand it.

This section I found interesting, and common sense. My emphasis in red - cos that's what everyone is currently doing.

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MYTH: Google doesn’t care about ____. (businesses, teenagers, organizations, pseudonymous usage, disadvantaged populations, etc.)

We aspire to having great solutions for these (and many more) use cases. While this may appear as easy as the stroke of a policy pen (“Just let the businesses in!”), we think we can do better. We’re designing features for different use cases that we think will make a better product experience both for them and for everyone else. Please don’t misconstrue the product as it exists today (< 4 weeks since entering Field Trial) as the “end state.” We’re flattered that there’s so much passion and interest... and will continue to improve the product and innovate in ways that will hopefully surprise and delight.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:46 PM   #830 (permalink)
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Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt has also made this suggestion, calling online anonymity “dangerous” and predicting that governments will eventually “demand” that people use their names for all online activity.
"Dangerous" to whom?

I'll just say this: a people unable to speak are far more likely & willing to be able to act. All things considered, these unnamed governments and zuckerberg/google and ilk flackeys(or vice versa, hard to tell anymore :-> ) should be a tad more careful what they ask for.

A slightly off-topic link I came across earlier(somehow I missed it during the HBGary fiasco) but think it ties in nicely with an example why anonymity, for all it's faults, is necessary: The BRAD BLOG : U.S. Chamber of Commerce Thugs Used 'Terror Tools' for Disinfo Scheme Targeting Me, My Family, Other Progressive U.S. Citizens, Groups
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:44 AM   #831 (permalink)
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This section I found interesting, and common sense. My emphasis in red - cos that's what everyone is currently doing.

I will say this- that they have it BACKWARDS. That consideration should be with those who could be harmed *FIRST*, not "after we get everyone else on board."
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:16 AM   #832 (permalink)
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This section I found interesting, and common sense. My emphasis in red - cos that's what everyone is currently doing.
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Please don’t misconstrue the product as it exists today (< 4 weeks since entering Field Trial) as the “end state.” We’re flattered that there’s so much passion and interest... and will continue to improve the product and innovate in ways that will hopefully surprise and delight.
AKA "Oh God, we cocked it up again - quick, make excuses and back-pedal like mad !"
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Old 07-28-2011, 04:04 AM   #833 (permalink)
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Meh. It's a field trial. A beta. Not the finished product. If you have an issue with the way it is now, or you're one of the groups not currently catered for, voice your opinion and wait and see what they're going to do .
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This section I found interesting, and common sense. My emphasis in red - cos that's what everyone is currently doing.
The product has been in use for over a year. It was just called "Buzz".

Seriously, Plus is Buzz 2.0. With all the same users. Who are getting kicked out of Buzz over the new policies.

If they had left the Buzzers alone it would have had maybe 1/10th the problems. It's exactly like Linden Lab changing SL's UI or policies to attract new users and dumping on the existing user base. Think Zindra. Or the OpenSpace fiasco. Except that Google is actually competent at being evil amoral.
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At this point I wish Sling would just come over here and keep this thread updated. I'm kind of meh towards the whole G+. But for those that care, here's her latest find and it's pretty good;

https://plus.google.com/117903011098...ts/asuDWWmaFcq
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Yes. That link above is superb.

Another very interesting one that I retweeted earlier is The Microsoft Update: Why I was banned on Google+ (and how I redeemed myself)

That's really scary.
We do all know that photos from phones with GPS have the location coordinates secretly encoded into the image, don't we?
Google does.
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:48 PM   #838 (permalink)
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Bravo bravo!

*stands and claps*

I knew you'ld make a good showing

I admit that it's been a lot to keep up with, and my blogorum time is fairly limited as it goes. So thanks for being a reliable source of info Sling.
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We do all know that photos from phones with GPS have the location coordinates secretly encoded into the image, don't we?
Google does.
The government does too;

Feds stonewall on cell phone tracking of Americans
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https://plus.google.com/103112149634...ts/WAu688n8JgZ has just about everything covered.
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This issue is going mainstream;

BBC News - Virtual people to get ID checks

Oops, wrong link, although that one is pertinent and scary as hell, this is the one I meant to post;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14312047

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This issue is going mainstream;

BBC News - Virtual people to get ID checks

Oops, wrong link, although that one is pertinent and scary as hell, this is the one I meant to post;

BBC News - Why does Google+ insist on having your real name?
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Dr Yampolskiy's team generated large data sets made up of many possible faces in Second Life and Entropia Universe and then studied them to spot key characteristics.
I've given away over 50,000 copies of my base shape. Have fun identifying me as 50,000 people dipshits.

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Wait, what? This bozo thinks we should or that we do look like our avatars? I -wish- I'd love to look like most any of mine, and they don't look much alike if compared together.

And making us have to look like our RL selves? What, are they out of their fucking minds?
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Wait, what? This bozo thinks we should or that we do look like our avatars? I -wish- I'd love to look like most any of mine, and they don't look much alike if compared together.

And making us have to look like our RL selves? What, are they out of their fucking minds?
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" ......maintains that to use the network effectively, users should be able to search for a friend or a family member as quickly and as easily as possible. And that, they say, means demanding real names."
It's amazing how journalists parrot that without mentioning/realising just how incredibly stupid that is in a population of hundreds of millions.

Let's take my favourite cousin John Smith....
If I'm on Google Plus and I want to check if he's got an account, I type in "+John Smith"
G+ will pop up a list of 5 possibles. Apparently it's a random selection from the entire matching population.
If John was in one of my Circles, it would prioritise the John Smiths in my circle over the potentially 50,000 John Smiths.
BUT .. if he's in one of my Circles, then I don't have to find him.

So...
After hours of weeding through John Smiths in G+, I do the sensible and normal human thing. I contact John (obviously I can't use G+ for this) and ask him if he has an account, and if so what his ID is.

He would come back with an ID like this https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/about

SERIOUSLY !!! 113116318008017777871
A 21-digit string is the only unique identifier in G+
It's as if everyone in SL had to use their UUIDs for unique identification. Yes, that happens in the databases, bur we don't see it. We see unigue 'handles'.

In G+ one has to go through Search to interact with people.
Put a '+' before a name and G+ pops up a list of up to 5 matches


It gets worse.
My John Smith has been called Jack by everyone since he was maybe a few hours old.
He also uses the handles JackS69 and WhozeYaDaddy in various on-line places.

Google still insist (mostly - it depends on the day/time/weather) that his name on the G+ account must be John Smith - even though nobody knows him as that.
Their plan for allowing pseudonyms/nicknames/handles is to allow "John Smith" to list his Jack, JackS69 and WhozeYaDaddy in a profile field, thus allowing people to find him that way.

Google by this time have some vague inkling that this might not be a desirable thing for some people - like all of your on-line IDs being listed in one place for the entire universe to trawl over.
They have a solution to this.
Jack can use privacy setting to prevent viewing/searching of his handles by anyone to whom he has not given permission to do so.
Wow! Great!
eh...... How does Jack give me permission to search for him by nickname?


The only rational way to find 'people you know' in G+ is to ask them to email you their UUID.
That way there is no trashing around in search for something unfindable.
It also means that it doesn't matter what name is on the account.

It's completely bonkers.
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After hours of weeding through John Smiths in G+, I do the sensible and normal human thing. I contact John (obviously I can't use G+ for this) and ask him if he has an account, and if so what his ID is.

He would come back with an ID like this https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/about

SERIOUSLY !!! 113116318008017777871
A 21-digit string is the only unique identifier in G+
It's as if everyone in SL had to use their UUIDs for unique identification. Yes, that happens in the databases, bur we don't see it. We see unigue 'handles'.
And those long strings of numbers immediately suggest something like the "Domain Name System" (DNS), which associates a memorable name (Google) with an IP address (74.125.91.105), or for that matter the old style paper phone directory, or mailing addresses. In all three cases, the numerical identifier is unique, while the name attached can be variable, or duplicated.

Google should make the unique identifier the primary key in their system for the google+ account. The account owner's real name would then be just another field which can remain hidden if desired, and verified if desired, and the "Display name" can be whatever you want: real name, nickname, online handle.
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These are a few days old (sorry if they were posted above -- I may have missed them) :

Catarina Fake's blog post, Anonymity and Pseudonyms in Social Software.

The opening topic of the latest This Week In Google (in which Jeff Jarvis does not come out in favor of everybody posting their most intimate details on G+, rather to my amazement).
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The real other half of why NSA's proxy Google is being so ridiculously shitty over this obvious issue: https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy...rAction&id=497

In effect Congress is going to declare the internet and everyone on it under suspicion of being pedophiles and issue a blanket no warrant surveillance tap on all internet connections for the purpose of 24*7 logging of all activity.

Nice eh? No warrant. No suspicion. You are all just fucking guilty. The Congress just knows you shitty nothings are pervs. All of you. So they are going to log everything you do on the internet along with your identity, credit card numbers, and whatever else they can sleaze into their violation of the law.

Now add to that NSA Proxy Google's ongoing efforts to log all data on the internet (All your emails, contacts, all your search activities, all your data personal or business, whatever else the sleaze balls can get) and you have the largest Stasi operation in history.

I do hope people make sure all (100%) of the shit ass fascist incumbents are voted out next election.

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