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Old 07-10-2011, 05:16 PM   #226 (permalink)
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We discussed this on your blog, but there's certainly a case for saying Facebook wouldn't support Mark Twain having an account as Mark Twain, they removed Michael Anti's account because Michael Anti isn't his real name even though it's a name he's commonly known as.

Google + seems to suggest Mark Twain and Michael Anti would be acceptable for their service.

Desmond touched upon the important point earlier regarding identites, advertisers don't need to know your full name to advertise to you, they need a profile to make the adverts more likely to catch your eye but your real name doesn't need to be that profile. A trick is being missed here by social networks in not understanding that.
Sure, but they also gave Michael Anti's account *back*. The reason at the end of the day is the one I mentioned earlier- that of the legality of pseudonyms.

That does not change that they view SL accounts as fictional characters in their entirety. It's an important distinction.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:59 PM   #227 (permalink)
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I don't "mind" second life names and identities as profiles, but virtual world users have to understand its mean't to be a real life networking tool, that is also mean't to bridge real life with virtual life, you can't bridge anything if there is no connection.
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:01 PM   #228 (permalink)
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MySpace still accepts fantasy names. Just sayin'...
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:36 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Reading this thread all I can think about is identity theft, mainly because I googled myself yesterday and found rather frightening levels of info in one of the results, which I have never posted online myself. So my taste for any more self-exposure is now at zero.
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:54 PM   #230 (permalink)
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I don't "mind" second life names and identities as profiles, but virtual world users have to understand its mean't to be a real life networking tool, that is also mean't to bridge real life with virtual life, you can't bridge anything if there is no connection.
But by that distinction, then, NOWHERE on the web will see me on any social network, because the only site that sees anything remotely similar to my real name is my bank, and that place is as secure as any banking institution these days. (Which is to say not very, but hey, better than Sony.)

Granted, as my mood changes, my outlook shifts, the pseudonyms vary, but I write under a pseudonym; I blog under a pseudonym; I interact with other people, real and imagined, under a pseudonym; and not all the same one. If it came down to having to use my real name, and ONLY my real name, on any social networking platform...like as not I wouldn't use that platform.

I do find it notable that this didn't come up until after I joined Google+; I checked out the general Terms of Service, and found nothing that triggered me (though I'm learning now to also always check the Community Standards pages as well), and didn't think there'd be any issue, since Google has known this particular name for six years now.
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Old 07-10-2011, 08:02 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Granted, as my mood changes, my outlook shifts, the pseudonyms vary, but I write under a pseudonym; I blog under a pseudonym; I interact with other people, real and imagined, under a pseudonym; and not all the same one. If it came down to having to use my real name, and ONLY my real name, on any social networking platform...like as not I wouldn't use that platform.
Then in my opinion that pseudonym IS your real identity, online.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:07 PM   #232 (permalink)
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What drove me away from MySpace wasn't the fact that someone could make up an identity. What drove me away was the bad UI, gaudy custom themes, and the fact that SPAMMER TRASH could make up an identity. What I like about a place like a forum or Second Life is that a person becomes vested in their identity. Spammers don't last long on forums, because if you shill a product in your first ten posts, you're tossed out fast.

I don't begrudge Facebook for working as it does, because there aren't any way for identities to accumulate "weight" like they do in virtual worlds. They're just collections of words and photographs. Facebook's worth to me is that I can keep in contact with people from RL when phone numbers and email addresses change, and filter out the creeps by the lack of mutual associations.

Until G+ has some form of identity "weight" to it, I probably won't have any desire to join it as Rebel, either..
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:55 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:06 PM   #234 (permalink)
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Then in my opinion that pseudonym IS your real identity, online.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:25 PM   #235 (permalink)
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:35 AM   #236 (permalink)
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Followup on Rowan Thunder - Liz Fong at Google confirmed he or she's suspended, and another user posted this:

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I'd appreciate it if you could do me a quick favour and post an update for me? as of 11PM PST sunday, I have not received a response, however I am not overly concerned as I am waiting until the end of one full business day for the appeal process, before assuming that I should have heard back from them.

those who would like to contact me about this matter, given that my account has been suspended (and this is not a public email address or anything of the sort) can do so via emailing query at firefly.dereferenced.org which is a public email address. I'll happily field questions or such there if people are curious or whatnot.

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Old 07-11-2011, 07:58 AM   #237 (permalink)
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Myspace is sitting in the corner of an empty bathtub and sobbing, desperately hoping for anyone at all to look at it and say it's pretty.
Perpetually playing an emo music video into empty space.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:25 AM   #238 (permalink)
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Follow-up: Google confirms “real” names a requirement for Profiles/Plus … mostly

...in a nutshell: Google+ wants the name in your wallet.

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Old 07-11-2011, 09:45 AM   #239 (permalink)
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MySpace still accepts fantasy names. Just sayin'...
I still have a Myspace in my av name. I think. I only logged in there twice.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:00 AM   #240 (permalink)
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Perpetually playing an emo music video into empty space.
Empty? Not really, that is a wall of black text on a black background and any picture on it refuses to move when you turn your head. The emo music also restarts every time you look in the direction of myspace, even though you turned it off before.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:06 PM   #241 (permalink)
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:00 PM   #242 (permalink)
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Follow-up: Google confirms “real” names a requirement for Profiles/Plus … mostly

...in a nutshell: Google+ wants the name in your wallet.
Reasons not to use your real name:

* Identity theft (I have been a victim of it) - putting too many pieces of info about yourself in one place makes it too easy.

* Stalkers

* Name + home town + posting you are on vacation to your page just invites burglars to come and visit

* Edit - you are under 18. I didn't see any age restriction when I signed up.

Open questions:

* Will Google's profile police be versed in every alphabet and naming system on the planet?

* I use a well constructed fake alias for free sites that require real life info to register (including Google+). I have used it so often it gets credit card offers by mail. How will they tell it's not real? Places that have a real need for the info, like Amazon.com so they can charge my credit card and deliver to my door, get my real info, but free websites don't have that need.

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I can honestly say that more people refer to me as Adeon or Adeon Writer than those that refer to me by my given name - by the simple fact that the vast majority of human beings I communicate with on a day-to-day bases are not in person but rather over the net, and I use that handle exclusively on the Internet, even before SL.

I'm pretty sure that would count under Google's ToS, right?

If your SL name is a one-off thing you don't use elsewhere, then that loophole might not fit the ToS.

But Google wouldn't know that.
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Again, I don't think the desire is to have a walled garden social network of virtual identity only users (Which LL themselves is going to provide) but to be able to use public social networks under an alias.
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Worst name ever.

It's been around for three years, but I haven't heard of it?
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I'm pretty sure that would count under Google's ToS, right?
The bit I saw was: "use the name your friends, family, or co-workers usually call you". But, Tateru said the Google spokesperson says you have to use your wallet name unless Google decides it's ok not to.

The flipside is: if they use their search tool for 30 seconds, they'll see my name all over the place. More than any person would care to look through. But, let's say I have a child (god help you all) that is ready to be online, but has never been before. Even if he/she uses their wallet name, how the hell is google going to distinguish them from someone using a pseudonym? Do they plan to lock-out everyone without a web history until they provide hard identification?

I think it's an "oh shit" moment for them.

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Again, I don't think the desire is to have a walled garden social network of virtual identity only users (Which LL themselves is going to provide) but to be able to use public social networks under an alias.
I think a lot of SL people would like a place to talk to other SLers *points to SLU membership* But yeah, I also like to mingle with the social media gen-pop.
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Whichever one has moer money to spend!
Oho! Didn't consider that. But!!! That being the case, "Immy" would be the winner. =^-^=

Given... My disposable income goes into funding my land in SL. I don't really go shopping, dining, and I pretty much have all the crap necessary to fill my house, and then some. (^_^)

On the other hand... When Danika, Graves, or Truth have an update, I'm so frigg'n there in a flash and mowing my way through the reds and fatpacks... =^-^=
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. . .Only decisions made by data mining interests. Why is this legal? (I'm in the data mining biz. If my opinion becomes known I am out of work forever.)
I find this ironic. I would not be able to ethically justify working for them if I felt as strongly as you do. But to each their own. Your ethics clearly are not mine.

Re legality: not everything has to be, or is, legalized. It's just that some things are illegal and some are not . . . yet.
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