Innula Zenovka

Here's a turn-up for the books... LL seems to have adopted the age verification policy used by most of the rest of the internet -- that is, ask you to assure them you are, in fact, 18 or over, and take your word for it.

To test this, when I was told about it, I created a brand new alt, Labartu (easy enough to find usernames without resorting to numbers, if you don't mind being a Babylonian demon), using an email address that's not connected to my regular SL one, and gave her an adult date of birth.

Then I went to Labartu's dashboard, and clicked the Age Verification section. This gave me the birth date I'd provided, and asked me to confirm it. This I did, and that took me to a confirmation screen, telling me that I now had access to the Adult areas of SL.

I had to log in before I could change my preferences, but when I did log in, arriving at Welcome Island, I just changed my preferences to be able to access Adult Content and, without needing to relog, was able to TP off to Zindra.

This being LL, I was not wholly surprised to see that the main landing area at the Zindra sim is still set to phantom so you fall straight through it, into the water (it can't be more than 18 months since we first complained about this), but after I recovered from this, all was OK.

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Penny Patton

Huh, how about that?

I ran over to my own dashboard and tested this. Previously I'd been age verified with "Payment Info on File" only so I'll need to find a place that checked the misnamed and confusing "Age Verified Accounts Only" restriction to see if I can get in.

Nephilaine Protagonist

Wait, seriously? That is absolutely ridiculous. What the hell.

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Aribeth Zelin

A friend of mine couldn't age verify most of her alts - I'll tell her to try again.

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Milla Janick

Fast, easy, fun and now utterly useless.

I guess this is the answer to the question how will Linden Lab get the adult content out of Second Life.

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Sione

It is a bit of a kick in the teeth for all the people who have spent the last year or so battling with sim and marketplace content ratings and keywords.

Charlemagne Allen

So I gave them my Driver's License two years ago for no real reason? For a company that has the competence of a drunk bear? And no Customer Support?




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Innula Zenovka

I don't see this, I'm afraid. Why has it ever been thought that adult content in SL needs an age verification policy more rigorous than that used by just about every other website I've seen? People get worried about some litigious parent suing LL or the content creator because their young son or daughter may have seen something untoward -- but if that's a genuine danger, how on earth has, for example, a site like RedTube managed not to get sued from here to kingdom come?

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Argent Stonecutter

Which is an improvement over slow, unreliable, and utterly useless. The old system, I was unable to age-verify any of my accounts only because I didn't feel right about using a fake name.

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Ossian

Somebody told me yesterday (in the same conversation) that she would never give payment
info to LL and that she had age-verified (for a job in an adult venue).

When she said "I age verified" I had to bite my tongue to keep from asking,
"And it worked?"

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Penny Patton

No more useless than the previous system, which allowed you to use a whole host of famous dead people's information to "verify" yet often would not accept perfectly legitimate information.

I don't see why people are complaining about a bad system getting a much needed improvement.

Milla Janick

Let's say for a minute there is absolutely no liability risk, and that age verification indemnifies Linden Lab and every customer from any possible criminal or civil liability.

How badly do you want to cyber with 14 year olds?

While the old system was far from perfect, judging from the number of complaints from people who couldn't age verify it must have kept some of th kidlets out. At least more than the honor system will, which is none at all.

Adeon Writer

I'm guessing the adult entertainment community may start feeling the desire for personal responsibility. That's never really a bad thing. It beats "It's LL's job to keep the kids out" and claiming ignorance.

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Leah Mayo

Plus people aren't forced anymore to give their RL details to a datamining company.

Milla Janick

Would it be an improvement if the locksmith repaired the broken lock on your front door by throwing your door away?

Penny Patton

I would say that the old system was more like the "child proof containers" that adults can't open but any 8 year old can easily.

Innula Zenovka

It's, in effect, reverting to the situation before age verification was introduced, where you had to provide an appropriate birth date to enter SL at all and then you could do what you liked.

I don't recall the unpleasant possibility that someone might, in fact, be a 14-year-old putting much of a damper on proceedings before 2009 or whenever it was.

Why do you say this state of affairs should be more damaging to adult content now than it was pre-Zindra?

Milla Janick

Okay, perhaps I'm overreacting a little bit. But it's not 2007 anymore, and I don't believe weakening the age verification system is a move in the right direction.

Aribeth Zelin

My opinion, it should not be my responsibility to watch someone else's children unless they are paying me to do so. Making adults jump through loops that teens laugh at, [I like the child proof cap analogy] doesn't serve anyone - and maybe just maybe, parents should be paying attention to their children's habits, instead of making everyone else responsible.

Lance Corrimal

ok, seems the whole mess is still unclear.

let me elaborate.

there are two completely separate and different verification processes and access restrictions out there.

one is the simple adult verification. the matching access restriction is sim-based, and simply the "A" rating for a sim, like zindra. to be adult verified, all you need is payment info on file, or that new checkbox on your dashboard.

the other is the more complicated, and privacy-invading id verification. Thats that process where you hand all your private data to aristotle, or send a copy of your passport and a phone bill to linden lab, to prove that you really are who you said you are. the related access restriction is parcel-based in the access tab of "about land".


I really wish people wouldn't get these two mixed up all the time.

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Imnotgoing Sideways

This is rather old news to me. (O.o)

I age ver'd about 15 alts without a hiccup and was deceived into walking a teen through the process. (._.)

Age verification has been hit-or-miss and anything-goes for as long as I can remember. (>_<)

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Milla Janick

This is what has changed. That system is gone.

Look at the first picture in Innula's original post. The blacked out part is the date of birth. That's age (ID) verification now.

Penny Patton

I blame LL for how they named the features, how they worded the documentation around them, and how they set it all up.

Aribeth Zelin

You can go to adult sims [rating, not parcel blocked] if you are age verified the second way, and it bypasses the whole piof. My friend does not have piof and thus has to get age verified. She did this with one alt, and since then it refuses to age verify any of her alts.

If they have added a check box that she can use on her account info screen, then she can bring her alts to my parcel, which is on adult land.

Potosi

Well interesting. Of course this might explain why I saw more folks than usual in a few places in Zindra last night.

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