Couldbe Yue

I first came across Prok via the website and in those days (up until around 18 monthsish ago) she portrayed herself as female - had pics of her rl self yadda, yadda, yadda.

For years I assumed she was a female inworld too, although I'd never bothered to look up her profile inworld.

Then I discovered she's male inworld.

apart from saying thanks when the avatar dropped a script on me inworld once I've never spoken to Prok. I still call her a she because I only refer to what I read on the site and despite her gender reassignment on the profile pic it's just habit. Inworld if Prok wants to be a male then I'm happy to use "he", outside though I'm still stuck on she. I probably should make more of an effort to remember to be sensitive to her gender issues but tbh until she starts to behave with a modicum of civillisation towards some of the people who cop her venomous invective (a lot of them are male and seem to step outside of what could be society's norms) I'm not really interested in indulging her in what seems to me to be insulting behaviour to those who are transgendered and iirc she does on occasion berate.

but that's just me of course. In this case I wouldn't consider me a troll but I'll wear the mantle with pride if that's the only one you can find for me.

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Samantha Poindexter

Well, I certainly won't try to control how you think of them, though I'd suggest you reconsider your default behavior here; if somebody chooses a given gender for their avatar, they probably want it to be addressed that way.

In this case, it's well established that Prokofy does want to be referred to with male pronouns. So, hey, now you know.

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Sione

It's not really whack-a-mole. You ban the first one. If they come back on a throwaway alt turn on the age block script. Sit back while they keep getting booted and file an AR. When they are gone turn off the age block script.

AR's are good. The griefers get suspended accounts. In the low level case your are talking about the original griefer is usually a main account that pissed the land owner off. If the original griefer was a throwaway account, you are gonna be shit outta luck with a MAC ban anyway because they knew exactly what they were doing.

Casey Pelous

Hi, all! Was away for a few days .... I didn't miss anything big did I?
e-bay scams?
Password grabbing?
Great googly moogly!
I toldja! "Today, they always find the blue dress!"*

Congratulations EVERYONE who participated in getting that particular step done. Or at least, "seems to be done" ...still awaiting word from LL on the general question on everyone's minds:
I think we're about 80% "there" on privacy. A definitive LL statement would get us to, oh ... 85%. Closing the hole? Priceless!

Now ... though I know I'm daring to engage with someone who actually included "Flack"* in their user name: The Reason NOT to give you IP ban powers:

1) It doesn't work AND it would pull resources away from doing stuff that IS important to the service.

2) Honey, you're WAY too clueless to be given a weapon like that.

Finally -- AHEM!

"Goatfuckers" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Goat Didler", please!

* As I know not all things American are universal ... "the blue dress" was the evidence of a Bill Clinton ....erm ....adventure. Or misadventure ...you choose.

**"Flack" = "Low level spokesperson." As in, "meh .... it's just something some marketing department flack said. Doesn't mean anything." See what I'm sayin', here?

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Anthonio B.

Yay, finally caught up again!

Great discussion going on over here guys, bit long but loved the bumpy ride till here.
But I got to catch some sleep now, still having an hangover from the late night sessions the past week.

gn

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Mercedes

I can't figure out if you are seriously concerned about new residents or you're just trying to paint us all as hypocrites. You don't care whether innocent people are forced off your/our parcels/sims. That's evident by the fact that you used Redzone, defended it and are still defending it on some level. By simply suggesting that you care about innocent people being blocked from your parcel/sims, you paint yourself as the biggest hypocrite in this thread.

As for hyperbole, the staunch Redzone advocates corner the market on hyperbole. I don't believe, for fraction of a second, that the griefing problems are ANYTHING remotely as bad as they are feigned to be. If I were to believe 50% of what most the steadfast RZ supporters have said, I would have to believe they are griefed none stop, 24/7 and by the worse cyber criminals known to man.

It also amazes me how many Redzone supporters actually believe they create anything worth copybotting.

Let me make it clear why I object to Redzone and systems like it. First off, I could care less whether it matches my alts with 100% accuracy, 100% of the time. It's irrelevant to me. What is relevant is whether I feel comfortable with some resident, any resident, harvesting my information and selling it to anyone with 3,999L. That alone gives me pause and it should give you pause too. It should have been giving you pause all along. It concerns me because the opportunities for abuse are large, but don't take my word for it; Mister Xue did a better job proving me right on that one than I ever could.

No resident has the right to have God mode over another. It's insulting to think, even for a fraction of a second, that if I felt unjustly banned by Xue's device, I would have to sign up to HIS site, OUTSIDE of SL and appeal to him. Which would never happen by the way, because I bow to no resident, no matter how important they think they are.

Even if Xue hadn't threatened to circumvent Linden's new change in the Community Standards by making consent implied and/or taking his database underground. Even if he hadn't suffered diarrhea of the mouth thus painting himself as the biggest douche bag known to man. Even if RZ went on to work without revealing alts, I would object to it.

I don't don't care how bad LL is lacking when it comes to protecting people against griefers and copybotters. A database like that, in the hands of ANY third party resident is a trouble waiting to happen. I mean, really, who the HELL do these people think they are?

ETA I realize I sound hostile in this post and I really try most the time not to be. I apologize for that. I never want to appear that I am not open-minded. I am tired. I am sick of all this. I am most sick of hearing people defend this man and his product in any way, in any shape and in any form. Saying it was good, except for the password stealing stuff, the lies, the alt matching and blah, blah, blah is seriously making my head hurt. If I eat a poison apple and get violently sick from it, I would hope no one would come along and say it wasn't all bad, because, after all, the apple tasted good while I was eating it. The fact that it was able to cloak it's deceptiveness with features that people wanted and liked, makes it that much worse to me. It would have been less harmful if it appeared to be an outright failure from day one.

bronxelf

I am far more liberal with the banhammer of doomydoom than most people here. (I have never come close to filling my ban list). But my tolerance for bullshit is zero. Really. Zero. And I always enjoy banning them. I love the resounding SILENCE that follows.

ETA: But I have never been under the delusion that these "systems" work. They don't. It's nonsense. I don't care who comes to our sims. So long as they don't act like idiots, they're welcome to stay. Hell, if I banned you and you come back on another account that DOESNT act like an idiot? You're ALSO welcome to stay.

The only place I keep a security system is on my own home parcel. That, and I even I have that set to group access only. It works perfectly.

Jezzybelly

First and foremost I want to let yall know that the ban by age policy and the general rudeness to noobs and the assumtion that 0-10 days is a griefer is what creates most griefers previous to emerald gate. i joined in 2009. The pressure and false positives provided by rz and cds is what spawned the recent rash of abuse monkeys, i simply pointed them in the right direction instead of it being a Patriotic N rerun.

I don't think that rz was a protection racket, me and the goon squad attacked rz users explicitly along with cds and insilico, random rape apes have been dropped periodicly. Its people's power trip with their sims that creates problems from the get go. Sim owners and buisness owners need to grow the hell up, i know thats allot to read coming from me.

As far as redzone's and cds's they don't work, never really did either. We have had viewers and techniques from day 1 to deal with them. It takes 5 min to write an exe to fix a host file.

Linden Labs has been in the buisness of squishing us for a while and if you file a proper AR we usually are banned within an hour unless its the weekend then its no holds barred all weekend long without b& until monday. Now what i saw yesterday morning was a shocker. They broke no build crash. If a users connection exceeds a certain amount now the system boots you and prevents you from coming back to that sim specificly for an hour. not cool but i will admit effective.

Copy bots and griefers were made much worse by all this garbage, but are still more rare than you think, and i think that the worst is over and things look kinda sunshiny and stuff for sl.......

To the redzone users:
If you bought redzone....odds are your a jerk, shame on all of you. Shame worse than i feel for all the collateral damage. I hope you continue to lie low, one peep and i feel offended its play time like last week. I hope to god that some of you learned some valuable life lessons from all this lord knows i bloody did .

Puitia

That name got me too. Publicist type I thought. Then with all the name and character associations going on around here of late I decided that he must be the same guy as writes that New World Notes blog thingy, as someone described him as a publicist too.

Hey, Paddys's day here, it can only get wackier.

Nadia

I did apologize, but sheesh, reading it now, "Goatfuckers" does sound like a slur huh? Like me cussing the cab driver out and calling him a "goatfucker." Goat diddling sounds more politically correct and not insulting.

OK, I apologize AGAIN. I was a stupid goatfucker for making it sound like a disgusting perverted sexual act. Have fun diddling your goats.. But, do me a favor and don't have any goatfuckin babies. (in this instance, I'm using "goatfucker" like "mother fucker".. better?)

Sling Trebuchet

That might be so if they create the alt then and there. If they happen to have a number of alts on the shelf, then your age-ban is of no use.
Those alts are not necessarily lined up to grief, they could exist for any innocent purpose - and not be throwaway.

My main alt was originally created and is mostly used for testing things. She sometimes get out. She could be banned by some drama whore as easily as I. I know other people whose alts go wandering. It's not all that unusual for a non-main to be going about.

So, if the drama whore is so dramatic that a normally sensible person is moved to come back with main or alt to rattle the bars of their cage, the MAC ban would save everyone some time and bad feeling.

That gets rid of the casual alt-abuse and leaves the land owner and LL to deal with the smaller number of determined abusers.
Plus, again, it does not expose the full range of LL grid-ban tools to testing in-world.

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bronxelf

FINALLY.

Welcome back Casey

Theia Magic

As far as banning, it really all boils down to this...

A land owner can ban anyone, for any or no reason, whenever they choose. They can ban you because you're a furry, a girl, a boy, or dragon. They can ban you because you're 1000 days old or because you're too old. They can ban you for wearing yellow on a freak'n Tuesday. They can ban you because it's their opinion you smell and your mother dresses you funny.

It's their land- they don't need a reason to ban anyone.

However, while you have the right to ban anyone you like, you do not have the right to invade their privacy in an attempt to do so. Period. No exceptions.

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Argent Stonecutter

Nearly 100% if they fly cross country. You pass dozens of parcels a minute. Right now it doesn't matter so much if someone has a group-only build because that only goes up to 50-100m. You can easily fly over that.

If you get put into a ban list, THAT ban goes up to the old build ceiling. BAM!

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Sione

Well then they are stupid and deserve to be suspended. Just pull the trigger on them each time they come back and AR them. They aren't going to have a whole army of alts more than 1 day old.

You aren't gonna sway me on this one. I don't agree with giving land owners more powers than they already have.

WolfEyes

When Prok makes the request to me personally I will be more than happy to honor that request. At the time she told me I did ask her about it. She told me she really didn't care one way or the other. Since I don't have have any dealings with Prok inworld (and haven't had for about 4 years or so) it's a moot point. As I said before, if someone who is male, uses a female av, has made it known to me that they are male in RL, and request that I refer to them as "she" I do refer to them as "she" or vice versa. Which is precisely what has occured on several occasions. If I make the mistake of refering to them as "he" then all they have to do is IM me and let me know I goofed. That is if I haven't already apologized. So far it hasn't been necessary to apologize for making a mistake and being human.

If I happen to run into Prok inworld and talk to her in open chat would I refer to her as a he? Yes I would. That has never changed. I'm not insensitive. I do have respect for other people and thier feelings, needs and wants. It is not unfair to ask the same in return.

Sling Trebuchet

Lucky you. You can read the cliff notes.
Some of us had to be in this thread for years.

Ciaran Laval

When I first found myself banned from a parcel, I was annoyed, it was to do with forum comments, after a while I realised people ban for any reason they see fit, it's their land, I wouldn't IM you about it, Second Life is a big enough place, I'd go elsewhere.

Alexa Monroe

/me continues her quest to buy something from each of the businesses owned by people who have helped out on this thread. "Some of you have some...errr, interesting stuff" she chuckles.

@Siggy, did you say you had a store? I can't find it in your profile.

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Cathiee McMillan

@ Flackseed

Here is a situation,
You decide to ban by IP address, you do not know where that IP address is lets say cause Lindens hides it. You have your little button to say that Please ban by IP address.
Now you decide to go on vacation, you go to a Hotel or Starbucks or where ever you login to SL and Guess what you can't get in your sim or parcel. WHY?
Cause you banned the IP address for that Hotel or starbucks.
Or you have a friend who know can't get in.
So now you have to do things manually to allow them in create an acception list. Which you can already do. You can already not allow people in your sim except certain people.
Banning By IP would override people cause how do you know that your "friend isn't an alt of some one you banned?"

Puitia

I've started doing that too. Not that I ever need an excuse to go shopping, a general idea to know where to go is always a good thing. :-)

Qie Niangao

You better have a good excuse, young lady!
(and good to see you back here. )I think the above really is the economics that makes it impractical for LL to give residents the ability to ban by IP (or IP + H/W1 + H/W2 + chicken entrails).

You just gotta know that it will be used almost exclusively by griefer-magnets and drahma-mongers, will inevitably err both in misses and false alarms, and every damned one of those errors will be another support call and therefore another reason why Lindens can't get anything right and their customer support sucks and Second Life is going to hell in a handbasket.

Argent Stonecutter

Oh flaxseed... did you ever answer my questions?

Or anyone's?

bronxelf

I see you were on DE...

Aribeth Zelin

Actually, its Colour, and I'm technically an american, since while I was born with dual citizenship, I think I lapsed at 18 and besides, my german is limited to calling people mean things, counting and saying I love you. So doubt that'd get me anywhere. Yay for being an army brat.

But the american rebels [I mean patriots ] set out to purposefully change the language, which is why we spell things like colour wrong.

PS - I got lower marks on music theory papers because of my spellings, but because the prof's ex hubby was british, totally unfair.