Logo

Sling Trebuchet · 03-08-2011, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theia Magic

Thing is, Sparrow Industries is just as blatant. I'm hoping enough people AR this http://slurl.com/secondlife/Kimberley/127/143/33 to get LL's attention.

.....

There's still something very wrong isn't there?

It's as if were had to AR-party some isolated griefer rezzing cubes.

Mysty Saunders · 03-08-2011, 06:02 PM

Crackerjack doing some of his finest work.

Re: Phoenix office hour starts at 2 SL (30 minutes)

by crackerjack » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:32 pm
I think I can guess what they will say
welcome to our friends the stalkers, welcome there to, chief theia the imperial stalker extraordinaire
ah and our guests the copybotters we welcome you with open arms
Ladies and gentlemen, we also have the rabble from greenzone here, yes our own policy makers headed by fart admiral, and several well known copybotters
and heres some redzoners - spit at them everyone we hate those meanies spoiling our game dont we, mainly because zfire xue achieved what we couldnt
Ah welcome to the phoenix crew, the hypocrites we so admire
and our special guests the griefers

yaaaa I dont think I will bother going there tbh

Itazura Radio · 03-08-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inara Pey

The real question is, how do we encourage them to change that viewpoint? Putting ideas, thoughts, options, etc., down in a document won't get them to change policy - but it might help consolidate our views into ideas they might find palatable and worthy of internal consideration.

In the simplest terms, don't take silence for an answer. LL loves to be silent. They like it when people go away. Don't go away.

They also don't like making public statements. Perhaps an out they would like would be if they would talk one on one with all the people making alt detectors (since there really is only a handful of them) and have them make it clear in no uncertain terms that alt detection as a business is dead and any further attempts (inside OR outside of SL) to sell it as a service will result in their accounts being terminated.

Itazura Radio · 03-08-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sling Trebuchet

There's still something very wrong isn't there?

It's as if were had to AR-party some isolated griefer rezzing cubes.

Yeah, it seems wrong that we have to resort to that to bring it to their attention, but ironicly if people do mass AR things like that it does bring it to their attention. The # of ARs things attract is something that LL uses as a unofficial metric in gaging community interest.

Quote:

It's a little childish and stupid, but then, so is high school. - Ferris Bueller

Casey Pelous · 03-08-2011, 06:10 PM

Yoiks. Maybe repost that That Forum stuff as a screenshot, Mysty? Those are URL's linking back to THAT site ...not sure Cristiano would dig that ..........

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

Yoiks. Maybe repost that That Forum stuff as a screenshot, Mysty? Those are URL's linking back to THAT site ...not sure Cristiano would dig that ..........

Nah, Cristiano doesn't care about that.

**Trasee Darkwatch** · 03-08-2011, 06:12 PM

Or simply remove the links. Text is much easier to read than screenshots.

Sione · 03-08-2011, 06:13 PM

This one goes out to all the hard ass internet bad boys who like taking advantage of people with their little alt detectors.

YouTube - ‪Godsmack - The Enemy Lyrics‬‏

Casey Pelous · 03-08-2011, 06:14 PM

I'm gonna reveal my deep ignorance here -- are those URL's feeding my current (hotel room somewhere in the Midwest ....lolz) IP to That Forum?

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

I'm gonna reveal my deep ignorance here -- are those URL's feeding my current (hotel room somewhere in the Midwest ....lolz) IP to That Forum?

Only if you click on them.

**Jolene Benoir** · 03-08-2011, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itazura Radio

That's exactly what it is. LL is hoping everyone making a stink will be happy and go home now thinking that they won. RZ is hoping for the same thing. Once no one is paying attention again they will gin up the machine once more.

The fact is the next step that has to be taken now is to shame LL into walking the walk instead of just talking the talk. They still haven't removed the items from in world or made it crystal clear that all the bullshit parsing of what is or is not "technically" against the TOS isn't going to work. If disclosing personal information without consent within SL is against the TOS then they need to act on people who are collecting it as well even if the actual "disclosure" part is OUTside of SL.

It appears that LL isn't interested in the collection side of it.
---
Soft wrote on #VWR-24746
Folks - do me a favor and move traffic elsewhere if you're discussing something not specifically related to alt disclosure.
If you need to create new JIRAs or go to the new forums as appropriate, go ahead and drop a link here when you move the discussion. But let's keep this focussed on alt disclosure. And remember: if you haven't read the entire thread, odds are you're just repeating things others have said. That extra noise makes it less likely anyone's going to pull useful new information out of later comments.
-----

Alt disclosure is all they are concerning themselves with, at least in regard to that Jira, and seemingly altogether as RedZone is still permitted to operate.

Or, perhaps a new JIRA is needed to address the collection aspect, as he states in this message we can do.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Only if you click on them.

Well if you want to be pedantic, there's a tiny embedded image of a piece of paper there which is hosted on his site. Everyone who reads this thread with images turned on (the default) will be accessing the image on his site, thus leaving their IP address in his server log.

http://isellsl.ath.cx/madsci/forum/s...get_unread.gif

I'm assuming Misty has the editor set to the WYSIWYG one and she just cut/paste a post. vbul attempted to keep all the formatting in place, so that's why the URLs and images showed up.

Now, however, the likelihood of zFire even being interested in combing through his server logs for IP addresses accessing that URL is small, on top of the fact that unless you're in his database already he's not going to be able to correlate it with anyone.

Ann Otoole · 03-08-2011, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolene Benoir

It appears that LL isn't interested in the collection side of it.
---
Soft wrote on #VWR-24746
Folks - do me a favor and move traffic elsewhere if you're discussing something not specifically related to alt disclosure.
If you need to create new JIRAs or go to the new forums as appropriate, go ahead and drop a link here when you move the discussion. But let's keep this focussed on alt disclosure. And remember: if you haven't read the entire thread, odds are you're just repeating things others have said. That extra noise makes it less likely anyone's going to pull useful new information out of later comments.
-----

Alt disclosure is all they are concerning themselves with, at least in regard to that Jira, and seemingly altogether as RedZone is still permitted to operate.

Or, perhaps a new JIRA is needed to address the collection aspect, as he states in this message we can do.

People in the EU will soon have the power to get LL's attention. They will be able to complain about companies like facebook, LL, and grieferzone and whatever the penalties are for ignoring the new law can be applied. And especially the sparrow thing since they are in greece. If facebook and SL are banned in the EU then LL is going to lose a huge amount of revenue. So maybe LL best wake the fuck up and ban harvesting or collection of data about users without consent like their TOS says.

Sling Trebuchet · 03-08-2011, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Only if you click on them.

The odd time that I have looked there, I immediately change my IP - no matter how protected I think I am

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sling Trebuchet

The odd time that I have looked there, I immediately change my IP - no matter how protected I think I am

I think that's a bit overkill, really.

If you're that worried about it just browse through a proxy.

Kara Spengler · 03-08-2011, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Pelous

When I was a corporate type, someone told me it was the "Don't shoot the Pope rule.

I am convinced that lawyers and anyone in academia are paid by the syllable.

Casey Pelous · 03-08-2011, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Well if you want to be pedantic, there's a tiny embedded image of a piece of paper there which is hosted on his site. Everyone who reads this thread with images turned on (the default) will be accessing the image on his site, thus leaving their IP address in his server log.

http://isellsl.ath.cx/madsci/forum/s...get_unread.gif

I'm assuming Misty has the editor set to the WYSIWYG one and she just cut/paste a post. vbul attempted to keep all the formatting in place, so that's why the URLs and images showed up.

Now, however, the likelihood of zFire even being interested in combing through his server logs for IP addresses accessing that URL is small, on top of the fact that unless you're in his database already he's not going to be able to correlate it with anyone.

Ahhhh ....okay, that's more what I was thinking.

Also, do we have to refer to Theia as "Chief" now? If we're handing out titles, I have dibs on "Contessa."

S. Snowflake · 03-08-2011, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kara Spengler

I am convinced that lawyers and anyone in academia are paid by the syllable.

Shhhhh, that's a sekkrit. You're not supposed to know!

Also, can I have the title of "Princess Snowflake" reserved? Lol

Sione · 03-08-2011, 06:31 PM

I wouldn't worry about zFires website, he wouldn't know how to code malware to save himself. I give him my IP address every day.

Gypsy Quixote · 03-08-2011, 06:32 PM

I always knew this facebook account would come in handy ..

Privacy issues in Second Life | Facebook

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sione

I wouldn't worry about zFires website, he wouldn't know how to code malware to save himself.

He'd only need to swipe his penis against the monitor when Visual Studio 2008 was open to come up with some transmissible viral infection, in all honesty.

**Trasee Darkwatch** · 03-08-2011, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gypsy Quixote

I always knew this facebook account would come in handy ..

Privacy issues in Second Life | Facebook

Privacy issues about SL on a site known for its privacy issues? Talk about irony.

Kara Spengler · 03-08-2011, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

on top of the fact that unless you're in his database already he's not going to be able to correlate it with anyone.

I think it is a pretty safe bet that most of us posting here were manually put in his database. Hey, after how much I posted in the old thread and am in this one I would feel insulted if I was not!

Theia Magic · 03-08-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysty Saunders

Crackerjack doing some of his finest work.

Re: Phoenix office hour starts at 2 SL (30 minutes)

by crackerjack » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:32 pm
I think I can guess what they will say
welcome to our friends the stalkers, welcome there to, chief theia the imperial stalker extraordinaire
ah and our guests the copybotters we welcome you with open arms
Ladies and gentlemen, we also have the rabble from greenzone here, yes our own policy makers headed by fart admiral, and several well known copybotters
and heres some redzoners - spit at them everyone we hate those meanies spoiling our game dont we, mainly because zfire xue achieved what we couldnt
Ah welcome to the phoenix crew, the hypocrites we so admire
and our special guests the griefers

yaaaa I dont think I will bother going there tbh

Oh this is SO going to be my new title!!!

**Joshua Nightshade** · 03-08-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trasee Darkwatch

Privacy issues about SL on a site known for its privacy issues? Talk about irony.

It's recursive.

03-08-2011, 06:10 PM	#480 (permalink)
Casey Pelous Provincial Sharia-slun Privacy! 'cause it's SECOND Life, stoopid! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,677 My Mood: SL Join Date: August 21, 2007 Client: Anything But 2	Yoiks. Maybe repost that That Forum stuff as a screenshot, Mysty? Those are URL's linking back to THAT site ...not sure Cristiano would dig that .......... __________________ "I am not more than a lossy Human being, and think that we all are equals..." - Wasted Engineer "Casey, I've already established that you have no idea what you are talking about." - Perphides

03-08-2011, 06:12 PM	#482 (permalink)
Trasee Darkwatch Curiouser and Curiouser *SLU Supporter* Following the White Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Mad Hatter's Tea Party Posts: 11,783 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006 (rejoin 7/16/2009) Client: Exodus, Dolphin, Firestorm	Or simply remove the links. Text is much easier to read than screenshots. __________________ \| Trasee's DeviantART and Journal \| ______________________________________________ (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination

03-08-2011, 06:32 PM	#495 (permalink)
Gypsy Quixote virtual slactivist rutting ... Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 319 SL Join Date: 10/26/09 Business: Live performer Client: no allegiance	Well, they love their facebook! I always knew this facebook account would come in handy .. Privacy issues in Second Life \| Facebook __________________ http://gypsyquixote.com/

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/56364-redzone-2-electric-boogaloo.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date
HSOrb v12.020: Working on ban by age for X hours « Psyke Phaeton's Blog	Post #7269	Pingback	03-17-2011 08:46 AM
Kabalyero in Residents Came to See zFire Xue Off, How Nice of Them \| Kabalyero	This thread	Refback	03-16-2011 03:07 PM
* zFire Xue/RedZone GONE * #secondlife #redzone « Psyke Phaeton's Blog	This thread	Refback	03-16-2011 01:35 AM
Confirmed? zFire Xue’s zF RedZone Website, iSell SL, was Hacked! \| in2ndLife	This thread	Refback	03-16-2011 12:09 AM
zFire Xue gone \| Living in the Modem World	This thread	Refback	03-15-2011 11:43 PM
Restoring confidence \| Living in the Modem World	This thread	Refback	03-15-2011 12:21 PM
Breaking News: zFire Xue is a Convicted Criminal « no2redzone	This thread	Refback	03-15-2011 05:14 AM
The Glamourus Life of a Second Life Model: ✐ UPDATE	This thread	Refback	03-14-2011 04:50 PM
The SecondLife Technologist: Redzone more then just Alts	This thread	Refback	03-14-2011 12:25 AM
BDSM Institute - Second Life - Ban RedZone	This thread	Refback	03-13-2011 05:02 PM
Privacy War in SL updated 3/13 « Acoustic Alchemy in Second Life	Post #3351	Pingback	03-13-2011 12:38 PM
Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Second Life Next: 2011	This thread	Refback	03-13-2011 08:40 AM
UPDATED - zFire talking about sharing people's RL data and hacking SL passwords - MOOLTO	This thread	Refback	03-13-2011 08:39 AM
Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » When Amazon Buys Linden Lab	This thread	Refback	03-12-2011 10:16 PM
Alleged Hacking of zFire Xue’s zF RedZone Website, iSell SL, Turned SLUniverse Into A Wild Frenzy \| in2ndLife	This thread	Pingback	03-12-2011 07:36 PM
The SecondLife Technologist	This thread	Refback	03-12-2011 06:47 PM
RedZone database hacked? \| Living in the Modem World	This thread	Pingback	03-12-2011 04:32 PM
Dusan Writer’s Metaverse » Virtual Dialogues: My Conversation with Rod Humble, CEO of Linden Lab	This thread	Refback	03-12-2011 03:37 PM
The Hydra: Privacy Problems Expand as Linden Lab Play Catch-up - Search Engine Watch (SEW)	This thread	Refback	03-12-2011 03:46 AM
The Second Life Builder	This thread	Refback	03-11-2011 09:13 AM
bN Story Queue	This thread	Refback	03-10-2011 09:53 PM
Media Filter due in Phoenix this weekend \| Living in the Modem World	Post #1418	Pingback	03-10-2011 12:55 PM
SL Offworld Forum -> RedZone...dead?	This thread	Refback	03-10-2011 10:47 AM
Alleged zFire Video on Possible Hacking of SL Accounts \| in2ndLife	This thread	Pingback	03-10-2011 07:06 AM
Why I’m pissed at RedZone \| Living in the Modem World	This thread	Pingback	03-08-2011 01:39 PM

03-08-2011, 06:02 PM	#477 (permalink)
Mysty Saunders Voice of (in)sanity Feed my Addiction Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 304	Crackerjack doing some of his finest work. Re: Phoenix office hour starts at 2 SL (30 minutes) by crackerjack » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:32 pm I think I can guess what they will say welcome to our friends the stalkers, welcome there to, chief theia the imperial stalker extraordinaire ah and our guests the copybotters we welcome you with open arms Ladies and gentlemen, we also have the rabble from greenzone here, yes our own policy makers headed by fart admiral, and several well known copybotters and heres some redzoners - spit at them everyone we hate those meanies spoiling our game dont we, mainly because zfire xue achieved what we couldnt Ah welcome to the phoenix crew, the hypocrites we so admire and our special guests the griefers yaaaa I dont think I will bother going there tbh

03-08-2011, 06:14 PM	#484 (permalink)
Casey Pelous Provincial Sharia-slun Privacy! 'cause it's SECOND Life, stoopid! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,677 My Mood: SL Join Date: August 21, 2007 Client: Anything But 2	I'm gonna reveal my deep ignorance here -- are those URL's feeding my current (hotel room somewhere in the Midwest ....lolz) IP to That Forum?

03-08-2011, 06:31 PM	#494 (permalink)
Sione Senior Member see-oh-neh Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK Posts: 3,052 Awards: 1	I wouldn't worry about zFires website, he wouldn't know how to code malware to save himself. I give him my IP address every day.

Logo

Site Navigation