Artemis Fate

Skills was behind CDS and was permabanned for ripping and selling one person's item's yes. The situation is though, not that she's a saint, but that Emerald really doesn't have anyone better. Arabella isn't a coder, and may be resigning as well if the rumor is true, Phox is even worse than Skills; he's almost as bad as Fractured, Jessica is just support, Qarl is brand new and has no attachment or experience with the team and may very well be leaving after all this.

So Skills has coding experience, has experience with the viewer, and from some of the logs and evidence I've seen, Skills has been one of the least dramatic and shown the most maturity in the team. This is, of course, speaking relatively, comparing hers to someone like Fractured's.

PatashaMarikh

From http://tonightlivewithpaisleybeebe.com/
Has this been published anywhere else. I've seen posts in opersource-dev and in the blogrums about it, but has Arabella said anything in one of her globally reaching blogs?

Pussycat Catnap

They rebroadcast this on treet.tv, all week long. I've got treet.tv's on my land. You can get one at treet.tv's land - its a handy thing to place in a public hangout spot.

Humps

Fuck me! 13 posts and already a moderator. Keep it up and by tomorrow you will rule the internetz!

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Pussycat Catnap

All I know is that when CDS first came out, and I asked on SLU how it worked, somebody from modular went 'bat-sh*t-crazy in the thread in response to my and other's questions. I've always assumed that was Skills, but I could have been wrong.

Nonetheless, the wacko-nature of it was what made me jump off of Emerald (and go through a very rough initial period getting used to 2.0 long before 2.1 made it easier to use).

Kyros

Right on, as long as you're the catcher.

Pussycat Catnap

SL has a shockingly high number of iconoclasts/libertarians that have no sense of community. They don't care until they get hit, and then they expect everyone else to care because this time its them and that matters.

Beezle Warburton

And someone's set fire to the barn.

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Pussycat Catnap

People don't like it when you use the word blingtard round these here parts.

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Katheryne Helendale

Except it's not really a fork. It's a static snapshot that will slowly lose relevance unless LGG or another development team picks it up and decides to get active with it. Hopefully someone does, because despite the irreparable damage MS took to its reputation, Emerald is still the best viewer available, bar none.

Or, at the very least, I hope Emerald's best features get folded into Imprudence, like its radar and its chat commands.

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Joshooah Lovenkraft

What about giving him a wedgie?

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Katheryne Helendale

Still there, but with a new caveat:

Evie

That part was added earlier, Talwyn I think made the entry. Its posted earlier in the thread

The Emerald Problem: A conspiracy theory.

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Innula Zenovka

For what it's worth, here's Skills in the Concierge Information Group earlier today:
Notice the qualification that they might have to reapply, so it might not be as automatic as when, for example, Imprudence changed their download link a while ago.

I feel really bad for a lot of the devs, who've seen their hard work trampled on by some clowns whom they made the mistake of trusting, as did many of us. I'm certain that a quick re-listing, even if it's on the cards, isn't going to do anything to rebuild confidence. It's like when there's a product contamination issue in RL -- it's all very well for the manufacturers to say, "we've reviewed our procedures and sacked the people responsible and it's now perfectly safe to use this again," but that's not going to be enough.

In some ways,l I hope LL do decide to block Emerald for a while on principle -- partly to show that they do mean business about the TPV policy and partly so that Emerald have some chance of being believed if and when they come back and say, right, we've reviewed all the code and are confident Jcool and Phox and chums haven't left any more nasty surprises lying round that they were less than honest about. As LordGG says,

I just don't trust anything Emerald's made now, and won't until someone I do trust has conducted an audit of the code and feels able to say it's OK as far as they know, having re-examined it knowing what's happened.

And the only two Emerald devs whose word I would have taken on that, Chalice and LordGG, have left. So there's a problem.

Little Lost Linden

Holy Moly!

This is turning out to be quite the weekend. The suspense is killing us.

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Belaya

Actually, going back to what LordGregGreg said about it being a stroke of luck... I seem to recall saying in the Onyx thread that if there was something in Emerald -- it'd have been found because someone was going to open their mouth about it. If I recall, that's exactly what happened with emkdu.dll and someone told Hazim. Not really a stroke of luck, just an inevitability.

I still wouldn't be surprised to later hear if there was some intentional 'sloppy coding' that could be leveraged later, either.

Yes, I remember saying that attacking the trustworthiness of Emerald's binary was silly at one point, but I also didn't consider their closed j2c library or the loading page. I guess I'm just not as big of an asshole as I thought I was.

Siggy

Ya know, when the best person to take over is the ex-copybotter who profits off copybot paranoia.... well... shit....

This is getting funnier than Celebrity Rehab.... and that takes some beating!



Only a matter of time till someone posts on their blog "JERRY.....JERRY....JERRY"

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Jura Shepherd

LOL. On Paisley's site? If so, I suspect she's trying to keep a lid on the show content so that we'll all watch ...and I'd be doing exactly the same thing.

Plus, she's in Oz and may have been in sleeping .....zzzzzzz

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TOBSDA

I'm not entirely sure. It seems this post was made before Fractured's apology where he said "The webserver will be transferred to Arabella Steadham as soon as possible."

Cindy Claveau

Having had some personal experience with Arabella, I have to agree that she's not the person anyone wants running the PR front.

Ever.

"Snotty and aggro" is the least of it, but that's enough to verify your estimation.

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Jesse Barnett

Paisley said it on her blog where she is announcing tonight's show.


http://tonightlivewithpaisleybeebe.com/

Elysium Hynes

I heard Arabella is there on the Emergence Viewer can anyone confirm this?

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Katheryne Helendale

Although I agree with these statements at a technical level, I still find myself thinking it's like stating being dropped in a vat of boiling oil is far preferable to being dropped into an active volcano. Neither of these are good or pleasant options.

I think the only thing that is going to truly rescue the Emerald codebase, aside from LGG's emergency snapshot, is for it to completely fork, with a completely new development team with no ties to Modular Systems whatsoever. If that's not possible, then its best fate is to be absorbed by another project, say Imprudence.

Jahar Aabye

Some of us have actually met him in-world and talked to him. My impression was the same as Katheryne's, and I posted something similar to what she wrote in another Emerald-related thread a while back, although Katheryne worded it better.

I've met other people like that too. The sort of person who loves to take things apart to see how they work, and will find the chinks in any armor, but doesn't particularly stop to think about whether he should do something, only whether he can.

I'm not excusing his actions, but I suspect that the problem is more a lack of forethought rather than true malice. He didn't stop to think about how pointing people's clients toward someone's webpage was a complete abrogation of the trust that people had placed in his viewer. It was the sort of thing that simply isn't done in polite company, and it's why if he ever works on a legitimate project again, he will definitely need someone looking over his shoulder with the authority to nip something like that in the bud.

Oh well, at least people are angry at an someone outside of LL for the time being...