bronxelf

Oh come on, you don't have to go that far. The fact that there's no mechanism in place to join ANY user group tells you *that*. Privacy is just the icing on the cake there.

Argent Stonecutter

Oh, yeh, I've seen that. That is the worst possible design for a notification system I have ever seen. Either you dig through your history ALL THE TIME to find and eliminate old dialogs (and freak out when you discover you missed an important script dialog) or you always have hundreds of dialogs there so you never know whether you have anything you need to do.

The system is completely unacceptable. It makes SL painful to use, and if it comes down to using a viewer that implements it or leaving SL, I don't know what I'll do.

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Argent Stonecutter

Argent Stonecutter is already a "secret life" in SL, just because I know people in RL who are fine with Warcraft and the like but think SL itself is just too weird to take seriously. I have newb alts to deal with occasional intrusions of RL into SL.

PepperAnne

I'd like to point out that V2 is not the Viewer From Hell. It's the only one that will run on my system without making for extremely slow rez times. (though I'd probably use Firestorm if I knew where to get it)
Now.
Going on and on about how LL is in on the privacy invasion bit, though they don't have the best record to make themselves look good in this area, is tantamount to wearing tinfoil hats and saying the government of wherever you live is reading all our minds.

I, too, was appalled at seeing the web profiles including links to facebook. I have no desire for my immediate family to see what I do on SL. Not because I'm leading some kind of secret life, but simply because they think I'm odd enough already, they might well do more than threaten to send me to the loony bin

The biggest issue I have with RZ, besides what I've experienced myself first-hand, is that it gives any user the power to threaten, intimidate, and humiliate any person in the database. Yes, there are a lot of false positives. It's some kind of miracle that in my experience it accurately predicted my alt. But, all some psycho needs to do is out alts that partners, friends, etc, might not know about, and they can get their jollies out of ruining people's SL.

I miss the good ole days when your SL got ruined because you did something stupid, not because some retard decided to IM your wife(husband, etc) and tell her/him/them you had a female(male, furry, vampire) alt that you might not even have.

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Beezle Warburton

Only spoonfed things that will make him happy by sycophants?

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Masami Kuramoto

No, Argent, the worst possible design was in Viewer 1, where you had to sequentially respond to each dialog in order to get from the newest to the oldest. By the way, script dialogs in Viewer 2 don't go into that history at all. It shows again that you have no clue what you're talking about. Disagreeing with you would be so much more fun if you were at least on the same page as everyone else.

Jack Doulton

Agreed. In V2; unsolicited vampire bites, join requests, object dialog spam/griefs/trolls, etc; fade into the dustbin which I can dump in one hit just by closing it. And I can interact with (click) those I choose too at the time they appear. The way V2 is designed to handle this is way better than how it was in V1.

Argent Stonecutter

No you didn't. You could hit the chevrons and cycle through them. That's not optimal, but it's better than having everything automatically go into a log that you have to dig through. And I found I had to look at EVERY item in the log anyway, because it doesn't provide enough context to tell what's trash from what's a keeper.

Bullshit. I've had to dig the fuckers out of history. That was one of the first things I noticed when I started trying out Viewer 2.

Or have they finally fixed that in more recent versions? Good, now they need to make the whole "auto trash" operation optional.

Free Xue

And by cycling, you mean work through them sequentially.

Not optimal for you. I find the 2.x way more acceptable. I see all my notices and whatnot at a glance, not one at a time. I would not call the list a "log", but rather a summary. Clicking on it to visually scan is hardly what I'd call digging.

With the 1.x method, I had to give each one equal attention, whereas I now can quickly dismiss ones which I don't need to read in full. And no, I personally have no problem figuring that out.

Now I would like the ability to disable those "you just deleted that" popups, but I don't want to go back to the 1.x way of doing things to get rid of them.

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Ann Otoole

if you think anything is going to improve with LL you are mistaken. The board of directiors chose the new forum software. One of it's features is this:

It is apparent LL is going to be culling the herd of dissenting voices and all that will be heard is sycophants.

What has this to do with the viewer? It is how LL operates. Viewer 2 will evolve in the direction the board of directors micromanage it.

If you want improvements then concentrate on the alternatives to SL.

Argent Stonecutter

In that sense you have to work through either of them sequentially. In 1.x, you only need to click once to either dismiss or keep for more detailed examination. In 2.x you have to click once to expand it, then click again to dispose.

It summarizes too much for me to tell the messages I want to keep at a glance. You don't even get the entire subject/title, you get a few words from it.

A good interface is something like this:



Or any other email client:

* categories on the left.
* A long summary on top, with sender, type, and subject or title.
* The currently viewed message on the bottom.

Viewer 2 basically gives you only the summary pane, and a very truncated one at that.

Yvonne

So this individual is running Redzone on a parcel in a mainland sim affecting other parcels on this sim, parcels which are not owned by him.

I hope you have sent an AR to Linden Lab. Would be interesting to see what they will do.

Ann Otoole

people have reported spotting redzone skulls in tiny parcels around mainland. They are conducting a massive spyware campaign to document all accounts in Second Life.

As for the ARs? LL will do nothing. They never do act on abuse reports. And redzone ARs are filtered out to the bit bucket anyway because their support staff let slip (as per another angry resident in the blogrum, a thread LL deleted) they were told redzone is acceptable.

Irony time: Blondin asked what the deal was on twitter today. Apparently he is not one of the "key people" soft made aware of the issue. Most likely the only people Soft made aware of it were privacy invasion supporters.

Walker

If the GreenZone scanner is to be believed, this is pretty common. I think RZ tries to rez temporary scanning objects all over any sim its in, so perhaps another reason for everybody to disable build on their mainland parcels.

Jopsy Pendragon

for no particular reason... I added this to the flogrum thread... and felt like posting it here as well:

Ann Otoole

disable object entry too. However every probe scans 96 meters so it doesn't help.

Psyke Phaeton

You did a @Blondin rather than @BlondinLinden

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Ann Otoole

grrr. well he only follows 45 people so he would never see it anyway. Lindens don't know what the mentions tab is for.

Inhandra

Frankly I'm stunned any Linden out there is ignorant of this issue by now.

Ann Otoole

mention it at most office hours and you get silenced. LL's so-called "key people" are actively suppressing awareness of the issue.

So of course most of them have no idea what is going on.

Innula Zenovka

I'm sure none of them is ignorant of it. But that doesn't mean LL will let them discuss it with people until whoever makes these decisions has decided what to do, be it let RedZone carry on or ban it or something in between.

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Lord

Well, I would hope it was pure fantasy, but then, they Have kind of done it before, now, haven't they ?

Your right, I shouldn't just look around myself while I am onworld and assume that all the people I see on Mature and Adult land who are doing morally questionable things wouldn't want their proclivities known in the Real World, now should I ?

LOL

Walker

I thought you were talking in context of RedZone. Ie. RedZone detects alts. Secret lives in Second Life involving alt accounts and not mains. I apologise for getting my wire's crossed.

What have LL done before on that scale? I'm curious, but I have been out of the loop for a while (end of 2009, most of 2010) so maybe that's why I don't know. They leaked the credit card details of myself and thousands of others in Sept 2006, but I can't think of anything else.

Lord

Hmmmmmmmmm, and how many were votes from alts ? lol

PepperAnne

And then one has to question why YOU would be on adult/mature land doing presumably adult things. Would YOU want your proclivities to be known in real life? Does that mean you are one of the ones leading a secret SL? :3