Argent Stonecutter

That's why it must not send any one alt the names. Instead, it must send a request to each name independently, and wait for ALL of them to consent. That is the only way to implement a consent request that does not breach privacy.

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Argent Stonecutter

LL has been consistently making the forums uglier and less usable since 2005 at least. Why stop now?

Kara Spengler

True. It would be a joy to watch though with all of the accounts that go months without logging in.

I have test accounts that have been on maybe once or twice since they were created. If they got tied to anyone while wandering around .....

Argent Stonecutter

I miss Jumpy.

Inara Pey

I'm getting quite fed up of hearing this.

It's bloody funny how the majority of sim owners and Estate Managers (and I speak from a position of having been both) can get along just fine with the tools that are provided by LL, possibly with help from non-invasive tools available in-world / from SLM?

I fail to see what makes a minority a "special case".

So I take it you haven't followed the fact that people in this very forum have created JIRA SVC-6973 and SVC-6751?

I think the correct term here is "Very probably not."

Again, LL have provided the tools. Scripters have provided tools. These tools work across the grid. They've worked through periods when (I think it fair to say) griefing was far, far more rampant than it is now.

How come they don't work for you? Is it simply too much effort to use them?

God God, reaching or what?

I dunno how many times this has been said: you've always had the tools available to "flip people the bird" any time you choose, for whatever reason you choose. Just because they may require effort on your part does not make them any less valid.

Those tools not to your liking? Then how about supporting JIRA SVC-6751?

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Argent Stonecutter

They still don't have that in Viewer 2?

(adds to the list of things that have to be fixed before I'll use Viewer 2)

bronxelf

Don't even ask. It's a fucking pain in the ass, for real.

Tonya Souther

And it's proving to be surprisingly hard to fix. One of the Firestorm developers has been working on it for three weeks now.

Rival Destiny

eh?

Inara Pey

The Privacy Policy - which goes hand-in-glove with the ToS, etc, has this to say on the matter of "personal" information that is regarded as "public" and can be considered up from grabs:

"Certain account information is displayed to other users in your Second Life profile, and may be available through automated script calls and application program interfaces. This information includes your account name, account type, the date your account was established, whether or not you are currently online, user rating information, group and partner information, and whether or not you have established a payment account or transaction history with Linden Lab. "

They also state in the same policy:

"You may choose to disclose personal information in our online forums, via your Second Life profile, directly to other users in chat or otherwise while using Second Life. Please be aware that such information is public information and you should not expect privacy or confidentiality of this information."

The problem is likely to be that in the first section quoted above, they also state:

"Further, you agree and understand that Linden Lab does not control and is not responsible for information, privacy or security practices concerning data that you provide to, or that may otherwise be collected by, Second Life users other than Linden Lab. For instance, some services operated by Second Life users may provide content that is accessed through and located on third party (non-Linden Lab) servers that may log IP addresses. [my emphasis]

...which some lunkbrain out there will take to mean, "linking accounts to IPs is OK."

Again.

Sadly, no concise statement, beyond what is provided in the CS indicates what might be regarded as personal and private information.

Coming from a contract-oriented environment, I'd humbly submit that the Privacy Policy need to be updated with all reasonable ring-fencing in place on both sides of the issue: what can be regarded as public information and private.

Argent Stonecutter

I call shenanigans. Security in SL is very good. The vast majority of people don't even need ban lines, let alone "security" orbs, because there just isn't anything people can do to you in SL that any of these tools can stop. They can't hurt you. They can't hurt your stuff. They can't even rez their own objects if you don't want them to. All they can do is look at your stuff, and trash-talk you and if they do you can ban them.

In five years, I've had to deal with wandering asshats MAYBE once a year. And for two years my place was next to a high-profile griefer magnet... AND I had rez and scripts enabled. I've only used even parcel ban once, and that turned out to be a mistake.

The tools you have to deal with asshats are pretty powerful. In many ways they're too powerful. They have a few huge gaping holes in the area of privacy, but there's nothing RZ (or any other scripted object in SL) can do about that. If you still have problems they can't deal with... what are you doing to create them?

Argent Stonecutter

Rip the whole "outfits" code base out, burn it with fire, piss on the ashes, and sell it as griefer repellent?

Beezle Warburton

Yeah. I don't need an "outfit" THAT'S MY ENTIRE AV.

And "currently wearing" having an inventory folder? Noooo, that's what the "worn" tab is for >_<

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Argent Stonecutter

That's because they didn't want to add code to keep track of what you were wearing on the new multiple attachment points when you logged in again, so they added that hack to the inventory instead and called it a feature.

Beezle Warburton

Anything to keep from giving us more ACTUAL ATTACHMENT POINTS.

Tonya Souther

I disagree, actually. The new system, if implemented properly, is the right answer.

The problem is that LL screwed it up.

The server should remember all attachments, not just one per point. If they'd fixed that, they wouldn't need the Current Outfits hack, and life would be good.

Inara Pey

Wait... wut?!?

Ann Otoole

No such thing exists. At the top of the CS is the disclaimer the CS applies to LL systems. Unless LL has the awesome Zeus like god powers to ban whois from being run by any of their customers on any url that their client tries to load. And a zillion other examples.

Beezle Warburton

Well, I do get good use out of the current multi-attach, but it's very, very clunky.

I really want my neck and tail attachment points *sniffles*

Hitomi Tiponi

I understand that partial outfits are being discussed in Snowstorm.

I have now got outfits working really well. I decided the best way was to have your standard stuff - hair, huds etc - as one outfit and then have all the other outfits ignore those and just have the clothes and other stuff worn with them. Swapping in and out of outfits works well like that - and it also means you can easily change the hair and HUDs you are wearing.

I would imagine that would work for Argent but I don't know his particular problems.

Darkley

Just so i've got it straight, some people bought it to stop botters, which doesnt work, some people bought it to track alts, which doesnt work and other people bought it to stop griefers which doesnt work

So is all the screaming misdirected anger at the realisation they bought magic beans?

on a side note, seriously people get griefed that much? ive been in SL for 3 years, owned various small bits of mainland, and am not exactly a wallflower when it comes to shooting off my big fat mouth yet i have never got griefed like these people, is it attention whoring or what?

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Ann Otoole

This 2.5 year old jira needs to be watch mobbed and LL asked why they are not addressing it at appropriate user groups: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9236

Ann Otoole

more like someone calling them a jerk and leaving is a massive griefing dos attack.

Mocksoup Graves

Maybe the people are renting and don't actually have land privileges? If that's the case, you really need to find a new landlord.

Mocksoup Graves

Also, hey Fuzen.

I told you so. I told you it was immoral. I told you it was wrong. I told you that it was against the terms of service.

An apology would be nice, but I am not holding my breath.