Anya Ristow

Are you hosting the stream yourself or are you purchasing just media streaming services?

Inhandra

Please do let us know how he decides to explain it.

Innula Zenovka

For certain values of "great" and "brilliant"....

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Argent Stonecutter

When I was looking for streaming services online I didn't find a single product that wasn't a bundled virtual colo of some kind or another, under the hood. And they weren't expensive... $3.00 to $10.00 a month is typical.

The only exception were "free" streaming servers where you don't control the stream, you just pick a genre.

Can you give me some URLs?

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Mocksoup Graves

It's through a company. I don't host anything. I just log into the admin panel.

Karen

I read somewhere from LL last April about LL being able to ban people for hosting copybot sites outside of SL. Just add to the TOS something about hosting data outside of SL that is also damaging to people inside SL. If LL can do this to copybotters, then I am sure LL can ban data thieves.

Ann Otoole

I finally went through the hassle of looking at my web logs for the first time today. I think I can rename the site to "Chip Midnight's Awesome Templates!" and it would be a much better description of what it's purpose is lol. 80% of the traffic over time is those fine templates transferring to designers.

I still don't care whats in the logs. Looks mainly like gobbledegook web browser version crapola.

Ciaran Laval

I'm not sure why you'd want to hide the URL you're streaming, you're offering a service to someone else, they should be able to decide whether they're comfortable using that stream, the onus is surely on the publisher to show they're a trusted source.

gtfo

Isn't the fact that collecting this information in SL via LL servers, which in turn access that IP through a UK or EU service considered a violation? Seems you can't walk across the lawn without stepping on the grass...

Can anyone in the UK verify this with the authorities over there?

Jack Abraham

I'm still missing it. Banlink, as far as I ever knew (I was a user) only retained the banned individual's avatar name, UUID, and the reason the banner gave for banning them. You could decide to trust specific other estates' judgement, or not. A much more ethical approach.

Innula Zenovka

Google fu for teh winz!


redzone rz blackmail black mail privatized private threat threaten release spread leak database paypal alt list alt-list alts public without consent non-consent sneaky bastard

gtfo

Gee, and here I thought the zmiester was a master at discovering alts/kopibooter/gweifers. But alas, you are correct in your assumption that his service and or talents are an epic fail. In other words, not worried about it or give a rats ass either way.

Innula Zenovka

I tried this line of attack last year, but without success. If the servers were anywhere in the EU, it would be a very different story, I think, but not right now. ZF Redzone, Disclosure of SecondLife Alts.

Masami Kuramoto

I've been thinking about zFire's "60 seconds inactivity = consent" policy and how we should respond to it. In my opinion it's about time to give the RedZone mob a taste of their own medicine. Some people here have been concerned about public lists of RedZone locations because these might hurt those who decided to remove the RedZone spyware. But as you can see now in multiple cases, they're just testing new ways to hide the device, lying right into your face that they're clean. In the true zFire spirit, here's the solution:

Failure to remove RedZone within 24 hours = consent to public blacklisting.

The blacklist should contain the following info: SLURL of the affected parcel or sim, name of the parcel or sim owner, most recent date of detection. The only way to get off the list is to sell the parcel/sim. As long as RedZone is not banned by the Lab, it cannot possibly be against the TOS to publish a list of its users. The device is still "legal" after all.

Anya Ristow

Is it shoutcast?

When I last visited lots of clubs they were mostly running shoutcast. If you found stream sellers in-world they were almost certainly reselling shoutcast streams.

I'd like to know if everyone who buys shoutcast streams from a reseller has access to that admin panel you mention (if it's shoutcast). Shoutcast has logs if you host it. I'm wondering if you have access to those logs if you don't.

Lady Sakai

Ok Innula, can I ask a favour? Could you explain in plain english what this means? After many many days of reading and having a toothace and headace and being very tired I dont get it at all.. either that or Im being very thick, cant decide

Theia Magic

As much as I hate to admit it, it's now possible to blacklist Redzone locations. I've not done it in the past because I worried about false positives and the risk of falsely accusing an innocent person.

With the new media security in Cool Viewer- it's pretty cut and dry. There's not the risk of the false results like there are with Greenzone.

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Casey Pelous

Made it politically correct for ya! Not sure I agree with the idea, yet, but there is a certain appeal here, I must admit, given the blatant sneakiness of the lot of them.

Oh .... if we WERE to do this, we could, on the same site, host a continuously updated, easily copy/pasted blacklist of tainted URL's for the (soon to be) editable media whitelist/blacklist in the TPV's.

Lady Sakai

Completely agrees, in the three years or so that I ran a club in SL (with Djs and DJing myself) I dont think I ever once even looked at the IPs that were conected to the stream. What ever would I do that for? I dont need that info at all. At least I cant think of any reason that I should even look. I did once or twice kick someone off the stream, like a DJ so another could log on but those occasions were so reare that I have a hard time even remembering how I even did that lol

Casey Pelous

Besides ... I wildly doubt your IP list was linked to avatar names.

Velvet Bikcin

I think the utility of that, but not necessarily the practicality of it must be advertised. In other words, the fact that having a redzone can put you on a "no buy" list needs to be advertised to the "squishy middle" users. As redzone's name gets further dragged through the muck, those people who bought it will quickly remove it so they don't end up on a list.

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Innula Zenovka

Aww.. I was expecting a menu to pop up with some buttons on, like you get with a kiss/hug thing, saying "So-and-so wants to see who your alts are supposed to be. Is that ok?" -- which is what happened when another friend tested out the RedZone hud on me. Then I could have pressed a button to say, "Yes" "No" or "Don't ask me again".

Instead what happened was I got an instant message from an object -- appears in ordinary chat in green but only I can see it -- saying "So-and-so wants to see who your alts are. Please click on this URL if you consent". And when I ignored it -- didn't click the link -- my friend couldn't send me another link to click, not even after taking the RedZone skull back into inventory and rezzing it again to restart it.

gtfo

Difference is that those TPV's are service providers licensed by LL to access that information which is necessary for them to operate within LL servers. zfire's unrequested service is not, and therefore has no right to datamine any information beyond what is publicly visible in your profile.

Theia Magic

That's what is upsetting me- the sneaky factor. If someone uses Redzone and doesn't attempt to hide it, I just move on and avoid the area.

But deliberately hiding Redzone so Greenzone won't go off? To me, that's a different matter entirely. That means they are intentionally deceiving people.

... I'm seriously toying with the idea of a blacklist not necessarily of Redzone sims, but Redzone sims who attempt to hide it. Like Sweethearts' does.

Anya Ristow

Perhaps you do real DJing and want your listeners to go to your club rather than copying the URL and listening from their isolated box in the sky.

Perhaps your stream has a maximum capacity, and you want people to listen to it in your club rather than using your limited slots to listen to it in their isolated boxes in the sky.

For whatever reason, SL used to have (still does, doesn't it?) a checkbox for whether you want your stream URL hidden. To get around that, you can just turn on the admin menu, and then the viewer shows otherwise hidden media URLs in the about land panel.

People are getting upset with LL for removing that capability. While I'd agree that hiding the URL isn't exactly high security, I still find it odd that people wanting to hide their IP addresses would insist LL provide an easy way for them to circumvent someone else's desire to keep their media URL hidden.