Free Xue

The issue is not you asking for them to come and give their reasons. It's that in a thread like this there are a LOT of judges, and your restrained and reasonable request is no assurance they'll hold back on their gavel pounding.

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SecondLife TOS 8.3:
Post or transmit viruses, Trojan horses, worms, spyware, time bombs, cancelbots, or other computer programming routines that may harm the Service or interests or rights of other users, or that may harvest or collect any data or personal information about other users without their consent;

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Walker

I hope it does. If GreenZone must maintain a list then that list should be dynamic. People do change their positions on things after all, and the possibility of removal from that list may even act as an incentive for RedZone users to abandon it.

Shelly

I used redzone for a time, the reason I used it was to protect my products, after reading so many horror stories about people having their stuff stolen and freely distributed. A creator friend was using it and he said he'd been convinced he needed protection and that swayed me. I no longer use it for the following reason;

A month or so ago a good friend of mine was booted from a sim the sim owner said one of her alts was a copybotter. My friend was adamant they were not her alts and I believed her. I contacted the creator or redzone myself, he got to the bottom of it and the alts are no longer associated with her account. I am very non technical but the only link we could see with the alts was that they were all from New Zealand, where we both live, all the alts showing as hers were from New Zealand.

Of interest redzone owners don't automatically see a list of alts, you need to click a drop down to see them. I really couldn't care less who has what alts, my time on line is limited and I had no interest in spending that time looking up alt profiles. I really only looked at the website when someone was booted for using a copybot client.

I also see no reason for the system to display alt names, if an account and all it's associated accounts is banned for using a copybot or having used one previously, fine, but there is no need for anyone to see the names of alts.

So, as a result of the above, I do not use the system, it's not accurate, it's not going to stop anyone who really wants to copy my stuff, so I see it as redundant.

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Elysium Hynes

Thank you Shelly for sharing that with us

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Vanish

So, if I understand correctly, it was more an impulsive decision to use redzone? Or was it triggered by a special event, or an incident of copybotting? Also, do you know what the reason of your creator friend was to use it? Sorry, I'm just curious.

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Elysium Hynes

So the owner will just remove any names if asked by someone who owns the system? Again, we are all curious about how this works.

Shelly

No the owner won't remove names because someone asks, he investigated this situation and she was not a copybotter, it wasn't easy to get it sorted, I had to pursue it. I am unsure of the technical reasons although I was told at the time, but I'm sorry I didn't really understand it.

Vanish, I would say more ignorance than impulsion; I truly believed I was being protected by the system.

My friend said his reasons for using the system were because people had advised him he needed protection, he has a popular store and felt he was at risk.

Ann Otoole

Maybe the redzone guy is oz.

If people are serious I recommend filing charges against Phillip Rosedale and the new CEO for violation of EU privacy laws. Then those 2 can decide if it is worth their lives.

Beezle Warburton

Well, just because I think snake oil is complete ass doesn't mean I'm in favor of pneumonia.

Sometimes "doing something" isn't all that noble, it's just a sign of ignorance of how things really work. They use this because of fear and ignorance, which the asshats that sell the crap count on. Unfortunately, they tend to hold onto this sort of thing like it's their childhood blankie, so it's a hard job convincing them that it's a complete ripoff.

So, yay, they're "doing something" that's nigh useless and funding a scammer. Go them?

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Marx Dudek

What, you're not suggesting we bring Obama up on war crimes for this?

Of course, if he'll just present his original handwritten birth certificate, we'll take his account off of administrative hold, right?

Sugar

Oz L closed the jira said it was in the wrong cat... so I reopened one under sercurity exploits please vote here

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SEC-829#

Chalice Yao

Not to dampen the hopes, but the CDS outrage was much larger than this, and nothing at all happened. Tho I guess CDS didn't allow any alt listing of people.

The SEC JIRA will probably be closed again since it's not a security exploit in the SL system, but simply logging of HTTP calls you can turn off anytime.

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Ann Otoole

If this system violates EU laws then people in the EU need to group up and file charges. Period.

If it is not violating anything then the only recourse is to publish the list of who uses it so the metaverse nature fairy can take it's course.

Vanish

I'm sorry to dampen this impulse, but since Linden Labs is no european company, there's no way to hold them liable for violating EU directives. I'm not sure about the guy who runs the redzone business, but the only way to get his RL identity in order to sue him would be through LL, which again calls for a legit reason on grounds of american laws. So no, I don't think there's a way to go to court with this.

Luckily, I don't think there need to be courts involved at all. All it takes is people telling their favourite stores that they're upset about them using redzone. As a SL business, you might be able to shrug off a few weirdos complaining, but once they pile up, you'll start to think. (If you merely stop shopping there, chances are they won't even notice, or know about your reasons.)

Elysium Hynes

What i think will hapen is due to the drama fest in their forums half of sl population will be banned in a few months.

Innula Zenovka

Some months ago, I raised my concerns about it with the Information Commissioner's Office here in the UK (responsible for our implementation of the relevant EU directives) and, after some investigation, they said they were sorry but

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Innula Zenovka

Soft has moved the issue to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17044?, it seems.

Mocksoup Graves

It should.

I know I am going to go buy something from her now. I think it's awesome that she would take the initiative to remove something that violates the privacy of all of her customers. That shows she really does care about her customers.

When businesses treat their customers like criminals instead of clients, it sets a very nasty tone. When they rectify it, it's awesome.

Mocksoup Graves

Shouldn't this fall under disclosure at minimum?

Marx Dudek

If they aren't interested now, they will be when a list of Lindens and their alts gets leaked by someone.

Walker

A bunch of Linden alts were in the CDS leak, but I don't recall them doing anything about it.

Marx Dudek

Yes, but it took a leak to reveal. This apparently gives the data freely.

Little Lost Linden

Sorry, I'm late to this thread and as it would seem, a little...lost.

So, are you saying that anyone could go rent a small shop in a mall for $900L or whatever the going weekly rate is for a tiny tiny shop and then use the RedZone item to be able to access the list of alts for everyone who has shopped at any of the RedZone supported stores\malls\sims throughout SL who had media enabled during their visits?

Or...am I missing something?

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Vanish

Kinda, except you don't even need the shop. Just attach it to yourself.