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Old 02-24-2011, 02:38 PM   #2826 (permalink)
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That has actually been in the disclosure for quite some time now. At least it was when I first heard about the controversy 2 or 3 weeks ago when I was doing some research on the issue.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't there last week; its' quite new.
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That has actually been in the disclosure for quite some time now. At least it was when I first heard about the controversy 2 or 3 weeks ago when I was doing some research on the issue.
Actually the wording has changed. This is from the Google Cache of two days ago.

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Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.
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Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about your fellow Residents without their consent -- including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, alternate account names, and real-world location beyond what is provided by them in their Resident profile -- is not allowed. Remotely monitoring conversations in Second Life, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without the participants' consent are all prohibited.
I've bolded the changes.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:41 PM   #2828 (permalink)
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Pssst, its marketing is aimed at destroying copybot, don't ruin that reputa... oh, never mind.

Now seriously, what exactly is meant by "griefed beyond belief"? ...
I'm guessing it means a couple of people have shouted something along the lines of -

"I'VE GOT A REDZONE WARNING HERE - HOPE YOU'RE ALL HAPPY THAT YOU MAY BE BEING SCANNED FOR YOUR ALTS."

Which I can believe quite easily - I've done it myself a few times - following it up with couple of informative links.

It's hardly 'greeffering' to tell people what they have a right to know.
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While this is great news, sharing is against TOS, but is collecting against TOS?
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This just was posted on the Redzone forums by zFire:

Hello RedZone owners.
After talking with Linden Labs over the past month we have reached an agreement.
Effective now and retroactively the RedZone system will request Consent to display alt name information.
LL policy will reflect this change by tomorrow the 25th.
The zRZ HUD will now request consent much like a bloodlines bite.
The zRZ Website now offers a system to send an IM to request consent for a zF RedZone Alt Background check.
The system is already in place, new functions and consent methods will be offered as we discover how best to implement this feature.
Linden Labs has been good enough to suggest many ideas that settled on this one.
Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:44 PM   #2831 (permalink)
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OK great. Nice words on a web page.

I don't see any screaming about rz users getting tossed for CS violations. I have not seen a new TOS agreement at login.

I don't think anything has changed.
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You know, for all the poo that gets flung at LL, they really did the right thing here in strengthening their privacy rules in response to this situation.
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Wow they must have changed that .. colour me supprised ... but still no official word, blog wise that is.
Makes me wonder.. didnt zFyre say he knew what the new TOS change would be?
LOL why yes i believe he did

Only a few other select elite RZ forumites had this information as well..
Cause teh haz a special juice from teh river in teh middle east..Some place around De nile i believe.. i don't think they want anyone to know..
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't there last week; its' quite new.


Hmmm... you may be right but I am pretty sure I read something to the same effect. Maybe it was just my interpretation of what was there at the time. Either way it now states quite plainly that things like redzone and other "alt detectors" are NOT allowed.

It does allow for some small hope that we will see the end of redzone and its ilk.
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ok what happens now to the banning of alts? does it just ban the one avi or will it ban alts? and give a list of all banned persons? that can also be considered discloser
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That has actually been in the disclosure for quite some time now. At least it was when I first heard about the controversy 2 or 3 weeks ago when I was doing some research on the issue.
i've been in that section more times than i can count since this thing started..it never had the alternate accounts in there..
i can check my blog posts which i'm sure have it quoted a few times let alone all those threads..that's a change to it.
i have that thing memorized and knew the changes the second i saw them hehehehe
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WHOAH SLOW THIS SHIT DOWN I HAD TO WORK LATE TONIGHT.

[REMOVED UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATION]

I am a GZ'er and a wannabe h4x0r... someone really needs to learn what hacking is. open source viewer code is quite literally the opposite.

It took LL 2 weeks to write a sentence.

Did I miss anything else?

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Well, LL did Blog that it is important to prevent third party servers from matching alts.

We are three weeks away from the anniversary of that - March 15th 2010 it was.


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http://blogs.secondlife.com/communit...ty-and-privacy

The Viewer 2 Beta update, released today, has an enhancement that helps protect your privacy when accessing Shared Media. Viewer 2 now stores "cookies" per user rather than per Viewer. This is important because it means that a website can't tie multiple accounts to a single user.


We are also exploring additional ways to increase privacy protections for Shared Media, including safe browsing technologies, that will roll out in coming releases.
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I am sorry if you have a problem with my right to privacy.

I know that no amount of talking will convince you to change your mind. You have already judged me.
I'm afraid you've mistaken mocking incredulity towards your disproportionate response and oddly dramatic information disclosure as some interest in invading your privacy.

I assure you, no such interest exists.
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While this is great news, sharing is against TOS, but is collecting against TOS?
It isn't explicit (at least not yet) in the ToS. You could argue that they've defined "alternate account" information as personal information, and the ToS does forbid gathering personal information. *sigh* I'm sure there's some twisted way to interpret it as well, but you'll have to refer to the rZ brigade for that one, I can't seem to get my mind twisted over there atm.
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This just was posted on the Redzone forums by zFire:


Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
What the hell does that mean? It implies that he will still have his database open to anyone with a RZ unit, which is pretty much the way it is now.
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This just was posted on the Redzone forums by zFire:

Hello RedZone owners.
After talking with Linden Labs over the past month we have reached an agreement.
Effective now and retroactively the RedZone system will request Consent to display alt name information.
LL policy will reflect this change by tomorrow the 25th.
The zRZ HUD will now request consent much like a bloodlines bite.
The zRZ Website now offers a system to send an IM to request consent for a zF RedZone Alt Background check.
The system is already in place, new functions and consent methods will be offered as we discover how best to implement this feature.
Linden Labs has been good enough to suggest many ideas that settled on this one.
Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
So basically he openly stated he plans to ignore the TOS/CS and LL has his back. Nothing changed.
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While this is great news, sharing is against TOS, but is collecting against TOS?
Based on the new CS text, it isn't. Makes you wonder how data mining should stop if just the "telling others" part of the information flow is addressed.

Do the CS also regulate what is being disclosed outside of SL?

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Hello RedZone owners.
After talking with Linden Labs over the past month we have reached an agreement.
Effective now and retroactively the RedZone system will request Consent to display alt name information.
LL policy will reflect this change by tomorrow the 25th.
The zRZ HUD will now request consent much like a bloodlines bite.
The zRZ Website now offers a system to send an IM to request consent for a zF RedZone Alt Background check.
The system is already in place, new functions and consent methods will be offered as we discover how best to implement this feature.
Linden Labs has been good enough to suggest many ideas that settled on this one.
Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
But it still doesn't request consent to scan and store.

As far as I'm concerned, this changes nothing except that I will never grant permission to show my alt information. RZ still needs to be killed with fire.
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This just was posted on the Redzone forums by zFire:

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Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
Oh, crap. I was actually happy for about a half minute. This can't be right, can it? If so, I'm with Ann ......this didn't accomplish anything.

Welp, if that's the case, I think we've done enough preaching to choir here. How do we take this to the masses in a non-destructive way?
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OK great. Nice words on a web page.

I don't see any screaming about rz users getting tossed for CS violations. I have not seen a new TOS agreement at login.

I don't think anything has changed.


I have to agree with Ann on this. I really do not beleive anything has changed.

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Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
Doesn't look like anything has actually changed to me. If alt names can be viewed that information can still be shared with other people. Sorry LL you missed the boat... again.
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You know, for all the poo that gets flung at LL, they really did the right thing here in strengthening their privacy rules in response to this situation.
LL didn't do fucking jack shit except give the bastards a pass.

Rod Humble isn't going to change anything.
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Effective now and retroactively the RedZone system will request Consent to display alt name information.
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Alt names can still be viewed to settle disputes, run security background checks etc.
Slight contradiction issue there.
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What I am saying is that you could sell a package to people that collects avatar name, IP and thereby alternate avatar names to individuals. They can't legally share the information to others but they can personally scan every visitor still. Maybe that is not a big issue but we aren't exactly no longer scanned.

RedZone can keep gathering while not sharing without permission.

The restriction has been put on sharing, not gathering.
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OK trying to up catch I see some Phoenix support person is pro RZ because it helps protect her illegally obtained movies that she makes profit off.
Sione, you're just plain wrong about this one.

Srilania runs a legitimate business renting legitimately obtained movies with the permission of their distributors.
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