Phausk

Yeah, I'm fairly pleased with the latest release. It rarely ever crashes on me now :]

Free Xue

Why was this posted in General SL Discussion, instead of: Alternative SL Clients - SLUniverse Forums

Or perhaps even, ahem: Forum

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Roshina Opaline

Discrete, you and LGG are shown to be decent people aiming to give a viewer that helps make SL even better for the users. But there are questions about other people in the Emerald team for their histories and their other projects.

I think your hosting situation needs to drastically change in the immediate future if it is shared with these other projects. If you read the terms of your host they can suspend your access with no notice and terminate your account with instant effect if they think there is a breach of German data protection law.

What if a person makes ARs to LL against the people responsible for a project not connected to Emerald but which uses the same host, and this person also writes a complaint to the host provider with copy to the Federal Information Commissioner? If the host provider acts to protect their good business name, it will be about the whole hosting not just the part of the complaint as they will not be seen separated.

People seem to think poorly of the Lindens for reasons which I do not know is always very fair. They will with good reason first protect their own business and second protect the majority ordinary customers of SL. If that means a popular viewer has to be removed from access because the line between it and some unrelated projects is not clear, that is a commercial decision made for the best interest of SL, not matter how well some of the viewer developers are regarded.

You and LGG are not being blamed for these other projects but your good work might be sacrificed for what is called "collateral damage" by some governments. But I think you both know this already.

If you have not seen already...

Copybot ban link system in clear and multiple violation of ToS

The Onyx source code has been leaked.

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Tayse Caeks

Eh, I was thinking about whether I should post in the alternative clients discussion, but opted for general discussion, as the topic is pertinent to any project organization. \/o_O\/

As for the MS forums... I was uncertain as to whether the thread would be deleted or not.

Lance Corrimal

the alternative, at least for the technically inclined, would be actually making the source code available as required by both the gnu public license and the third party viewer policy that emerald claims to be compliant with.

Phausk

Huh? Emerald is already released open source.

Discrete Dreamscape

Since you used nice demanding big bold text for me, but can't seem to find the source which is available on the same googlecode page as the binary, I'll just file this under the category of "can't internet."

Khamon

Somehow this discussion has encouraged me to begin rereading Asimov's Foundation series.


It went from something something to Emerald City to Mind Control.


I think Edmond Dantes appeared in the train of thought as well.

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Tayse Caeks

..aaaand YOU get a cookie!

In other news, am I the only one who gets a facepalm out of this link?
Murr Interface

Brenda Connolly

It's encouraged me to register at SCII

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Innula Zenovka

To my mind, ModularSystems is exploiting the goodwill and trust that Emerald has rightly attracted. I very much doubt they'd be cut quite as much slack, either by Linden Lab or the SL public, if they weren't associated with the viewer.

Roshina Opaline

It is a much older story than Asmov, it is the story of how people who mistake Honour for Glory will destroy themselves with their own Power to find they have gained Nothing

Jesse Barnett

You had better not be thinking of going anywhere else as I can not live without my daily Brenda fix that I have been enjoying for the last 4 years.

Brenda Connolly

Then you have to tell your fellow geeks to knock off the techno babble and talk about sex and depravity more often.

BTW..a belated Happy Birthday.

Jesse Barnett

Does this work as an incentive to stick around:

Lance Corrimal

I tried to checkout the subversion repo, and all i got was an empty directory.

and yes, i DO know how to check out source from subversion, cvs, git and mercurial.

quote from the website:
"Use this command to anonymously check out the latest project source code: # Non-members may check out a read-only working copy anonymously over HTTP.
svn checkout http://emeraldviewer.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ emeraldviewer-read-only"


result: empty folder.

Hypatia Callisto

I found it!

Downloads - greenlifeemeraldviewer - Project Hosting on Google Code

Emerald_Source_1634.tar.bz2 - greenlifeemeraldviewer - Emerald Source 1634 - Project Hosting on Google Code

waves at Lance

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Innocent

It was not only ModularSystems and Onyx and CDS that stopped me trusting Emerald - it was the way Emerald devs have responded in forums to people's serious concerns about their current viewer sending users' login names and IPs to modular systems.

"Trust us, we don't use it" is not good enough, when we don't know who could get access to that data.

"We'll fix it eventually, when we get round to it, but we don't consider it important" is not good enough. They should remove it from LL's page of self certified viewers until it complies. Leaving it there is an ongoing deception.

I stopped trusting Emerald because of what Emerald does.

Lance Corrimal

yea. found that too.
it would have helped if the "Source" link on the google project page would have pointed at the sources instead of an empty svn repo... ah well... that source doesn't build.
and before anyone pipes up with "do you even know how to compile software on linux at all"...

RHCT, Brainbench master level, running a build repo on OBS since several years, packaging my own packages for longer, learned to code c/c++ on unixoids before most of you kids, and now get off my lawn and fix that source!

(opening an issue on the project issue tracker about the issues i'm having)

Tayse Caeks

Shouldn't the emerald login page be disallowed in Robots.txt? o_O

Boy Lane

How would this work or even be somehow related? robots.txt sits on server side and defines what clients may connect or not to that server.

You made a number of bubbles here in the discussions but I more and more believe they are just that, bubbles.

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Tayse Caeks

Whenever the Emerald projects quote Emerald usage numbers (ie: the 70,000 or 80,000 Emerald users, per day, for this month), they are going off the google-analytics on "http://modularsystems.sl/app/login/".

Robots.txt is an optional list of directories to not crawl. It does not define what clients may connect (or not) to that server, rather it's a helpful list for automated crawlers to use in determining where not to go.

That said, I'm not entirely sure how google-analytics works, other than "A cookie and some javascript". I am also not entirely sure how modern web bots work.. do the major players support javascript and cookies?

Lucifer Baphomet

Worry not Jesse, I'm sure like myself, Brenda can stand with a foot in each forum.

Which means, if you lie below her and look up, you'll see her panties.

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Brenda Connolly

I'm going to dispel all myths about inter forum operability and even post on the Blogorama. I will wage war on 3 fronts.

Discrete Dreamscape

Downloads - emeraldviewer - Project Hosting on Google Code