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Old 04-26-2010, 02:50 PM   #901 (permalink)
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Clift has had a pretty impressive career gain in the last 6 years.. I assume when he joined woodbury he was fresh out of uni (2004)

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Burbank, CA August 23, 2004) Woodbury University today announced the addition of several faculty members for the new academic year.
Eddie Clift will teach fulltime in Woodbury's communication major. With his Ph.D. from the University of Utah, an MFA in photography, as well as his business experience, he will be instrumental in pointing the communication major in an interdisciplinary direction involving communication theory and the visual arts.

of course now he's the Associate Director of one of the Schools and Associate Professor.


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Edward Clift is Associate Professor and Chair of Communication at Woodbury University in Burbank, California. He holds a Ph.D. in Communication from the University of Utah and an MFA from the Savannah College of Art & Design. His research interests include social systems and the relationship of aesthetics to thought and behavior. Clift serves as a reviewer for Vestnick: Theory and Practice of Communication, an international journal sponsored by the Russian Communication Association (RCA). He recently completed an edited volume of transdisciplinary readings on rhetoric and economics for Mellen Press. Clift is currently the Associate Director of the School of Media, Culture & Design at Woodbury University.

Put it down to a lack of experience perhaps but the university still should have had mechanisms in place to monitor the use of the money and the issues around the 2007 incident. He may be new but the university isn't.
Yeah, an associate professor isn't tenured. He's going to have to explain, and it could (probably will) affect his tenure bid.
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:53 PM   #902 (permalink)
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And people think i am the tin foil goddess lmao. This fruitcake thinks LL is NSA or some retarded shit lmao. Oh I know LL has a team of telepathy agents monitoring the evil thoughts of woodbury students. And LL has those CIA remote viewers watching the students wank off in the showers too right?

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Actually he's right. Linden Lab logs all chat inworld. (Which is why they wanted Emerald to take out OTR encryption of IMs, as it made chat logging useless.)

This is not unusual - every single online game does this. It's a necessity for customer service.
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of course now he's the Associate Director of one of the Schools and Associate Professor.
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Yeah, an associate professor isn't tenured. He's going to have to explain, and it could (probably will) affect his tenure bid.
Actually, he's the department head.

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Apparently, it was the WUkidz who found that they were smacking a beehive and had to run off. Fancy that.
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Actually he's right. Linden Lab logs all chat inworld. (Which is why they wanted Emerald to take out OTR encryption of IMs, as it made chat logging useless.)

This is not unusual - every single online game does this. It's a necessity for customer service.
SOE last year presented five years worth of stored data from Everquest 2 to a group of researchers. Whilst all names of players were scrubbed from the data it included everything from open chat to private im's (anyone who thinks there chat is private is living in cloud cuckoo land), to quest logs etc. I've no doubt Linden Lab keep such smiliar data as well.
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People suggesting petitions: Wake the fuck up and remember petitions do NOTHING. Only mentioning to local newspapers (ones that people hold in their fucking hands) and giving the college bad press will get anything done.
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Actually he's right. Linden Lab logs all chat inworld. (Which is why they wanted Emerald to take out OTR encryption of IMs, as it made chat logging useless.)

This is not unusual - every single online game does this. It's a necessity for customer service.
except for the "off site" part. The idiot implied LL was engaged in surveillance outside of SL. Actually, LL should have sued WU over that statement.
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SOE last year presented five years worth of stored data from Everquest 2 to a group of researchers. Whilst all names of players were scrubbed from the data it included everything from open chat to private im's (anyone who thinks there chat is private is living in cloud cuckoo land), to quest logs etc. I've no doubt Linden Lab keep such smiliar data as well.
yea lots of ooo ooo ooo and ahhh ungh ahh IM data would be really valuable.
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The lack of oversight, the squandering of funds on activities of a dubious academic nature, and the appointment of someone as self-important and self-absorbed as Clift to a high administrative position -- it's all rather revealing. As if college loans weren't enough of a burden on young people these days, the Woodbury students are going into hock for an education from a place that sounds one step up from a mail-order diploma mill.
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Is Jumpman Lane the professor of English at woodbury?
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People suggesting petitions: Wake the fuck up and remember petitions do NOTHING. Only mentioning to local newspapers (ones that people hold in their fucking hands) and giving the college bad press will get anything done.
You may be right. However, that would hurt the RL university, and it seemed to me that it might be worth trying to get the university to save itself BEFORE it's reputation is further compromised by Clift's idiotic spoutings about this.

Really, in nuking WU LL has acted in the RL university's best interest -- it's the ultimate damage control. Amazing that Clift doesn't see that.
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Really, in nuking WU LL has acted in the RL university's best interest -- it's the ultimate damage control. Amazing that Clift doesn't see that.

You may be right but there's no way in Hell he'll ever admit it. To do that would mean he would have to take responsibility for it and so far I've seen no evidence that anyone associated with woodbury likes that idea.
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Having been partnered to a professor for 15 years, I'm used to seeing all kinds of blowhards securing a berth in the Liberal Arts faculty, and even becoming department heads or deans. But usually there's oversight on expenditures so that the positions are more that of a bureaucratic drone with delusions of grandeur than positions of true power. So I'm really scratching my head at an administration that would allow this amount of discretionary funds to be used in such a cavalier manner for so long. For a place with so many students on financial-aid, you're usually scrambling to pay for pencils, much less entire sims.
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Looks like Clift has a fairly high prof rating:

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Given that Woodbury University is currently in the process of reaccreditation, its SL issues may or may not be a big deal outside the probably small cohort of RL students involved in it. There are a few things that would be of interest to people along the chain of responsibility above Dr. Clift, though:
  • If WU's SL campus really was programmatically studying interaction within SL, they would need to resolve the issue of human subjects review, which is murky and contentious with simple face-to-face research, let alone online interaction. If WU really was reaching out to the community in SL, without informed consent or defined social contracts, they may be in breach of academic ethics as many administrators see them.
  • Someone was releasing close to $1000 per month for a SL campus that was substantially, and I've been through most of it, a lot of random doodling. Very little had either obvious or unique educational value, and what did seemed to be space for telecommuting-style distance learning. That is actually a sort of good thing, because it promotes discussion of what really is education, how's it different online, etc. But without the background of specific training and/or insights from serious research, that discussion won't mean much to educators.
  • Many people in higher education will read the article and its comments, and be turned off to education in virtual worlds. And, they'll probably form doubts about Woodbury University's credibility. Add the phenomenon of academics gossiping at a conference, and it does some, probably small, damage to Woodbury University.

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'cos we're busy having an adult conversation about adult themes (you know; responsibility, education, management) that are only peripherally sl orientated...

and of course the kids coming in here to troll errr state their case just add that little frission when the conversation lags.
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DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA how much credibility damage you have done to Woodbury University as a result of this??
Or the damage you may have caused to other academic researchers using SL for valid teaching and research purposes? I believe that the Chronicle of Higher Education article and accompanying trainwreck list of comments is going to be read by a lot of academics and academic administrators, and that alone is going to harm or hinder a lot of good work that is being done or planned.
I said last night that Linden Lab is extremely unlikely to receive much meaningful negative publicity over this because people in the real world care just a little more about Woodbury's web presence as they do about Prokofy Neva's virtual chickens.

That cuts both ways.

Linden Lab is unlikely to receive a black eye and Woodbury is unlikely to receive any meaningful negative publicity. Nobody who really matters to Woodbury cares. The kids who apply to a Third Tier commuter college won't care. ("But mom, I don't want to go to a griefer college!") The academics from other institutions aren't going to look at their peers at Woodbury with a jaundiced eye from here on out. ("Pssst... Professor Muttonchops is from that griefer college! Let's give him the dreaded triple peer review!") US News & World Report isn't going to downgrade Woodbury from a Tier Three college to a Tier Four over this.

And before anyone gets too excited about the possibility, nobody's going to revoke Woodbury's accreditation over this whole incident. It just flat out will not happen. (Just like the ACLU isn't going to turn the people Linden Lab banned for association with Woodbury into free speech martyrs.)

Will it hurt other educational institutions that utilize Second Life? Probably not. Even if it does, it's going to do far less damage than the highly publicized case of Kimberly Jernigan.
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