Lance Corrimal

I've seen places where a particle count of 1 would do that.

Vivienne Graves

Answer: Emerald stops development; lots of people whinge very loudly about how they're going to quit SL now that they can't use Emerald, but very few actually will unless and until a serious SL competitor (which Blue Mars, for all the talk, isn't) comes along in the interim.

Boy Lane

I'm not so sure about that this time. During the last big Linden *FUCK-OUR-RESIDENTS* stunt, that is the homesteads, a lot of people went out and tried other grids, a lot ended up in not or only half working OpenSims. Coupled with false promises and disappointing experiences. And many returned to SL. But things have changed a lot in the last year. There are independently developed grids that fixed OpenSim problems, that have working currencies, working search, the basis for a working economy. And content creators flock in there, not only because of LL's ridiculous policies that seem to get worse every single time.

This time this is supported by many viewer developers who say a clear NO to LL, unprecedented. And who go into full support mode for OpenSim grids. I think there is really a chance to make a change now, and there are many many people around who are completely fed up wit LL's continuous fucking up all and everything and who throw the towel. To continue in fresh, uncrippled pionieering worlds. At least that's the hope I have

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Ann Otoole

Where are people flocking to?

Pussycat Catnap

And of course it looks like my comment was roundly misunderstood by everyone so dedicated to Emerald they can't take a step back and look at what I actually wrote.

Note this part:
The people -here- using Emerald are an insignificant number of people in the larger crowd of SL.

Nothing gets big in SL unless the blingy / frankenbarbie crowd adopts it. And their loyalty is driven by whoever / whatever person/bot in their crowds they're following for 'guidance' on how to look / be cool.

- They're not using Emerald for their deep understanding of its features, but because some blingy blogger said to go get it. Most of them probably don't even know half of what Emerald does. I can't be the only one who's been in a crowd of Emerald users and found them all shocked when somebody mentioned that Emerald -had- a radar. They often don't even know...


If that blogger switches to Niellife tomorrow, then by the day after tomorrow, Niellife will be the number 1 viewer in SL.

If that crowd moves off of Emerald, it won't matter how good / bad / important for content creators / whatever the features of Emerald are... nobody who "matters" will care.

The people around here don't matter. We're not who LLs is catering to. Those fashionista bloggers are. That much should be obvious to anyone who's been watching all the facebook-like moves and the new avatars and even the new viewer LLs has rolled out.

SL 2.0 is a challenge to Emerald's success. But not one we here comprehend. It challenges it where it matters: it hopes to look 'sexier' and more 'socialite' driven to the fashionista crowd.


Rewind the clock to late last summer... and most of the comments about Emerald around here and the official forums were about whether or not it was allowed, and if it was any good, and in general around SL, it was not that popular. Emerald zapped up to popularity almost overnight. 'Somebody' in just the right crowd switched to it, and with that. his/her clique all jumped as well, and a chain reaction ensued. That can easily flip, and I'm wagering it has nothing to do with how good/bad Emerald actually is.

- Its all about how it looks on the surface, not how usable that look actually is.

So if Emerald tries to force LLs hand, all that has to happen is the bloggers for that crowd tell their people that 'Emerald is not allowed anymore, go get X' and poof - Emerald's fanbase dies, and they have no cards in their hand anymore and find themselves alongside other more "obscure" viewers screaming into the wind.

Beebo Brink

You're having delusional flashbacks to high school.

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Joseph Worthington

Does that mean we have Furtards and Nekonistas to thank for all the non-human avatars, stores, sims, and venues? Cuz lord knows all the nude beaches in SL would be nothing without our blinged out patrons.

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While people try to ascribe all sorts of negative connotations to me around here, the above is basically what I mean.

I run into them a lot when I leave my usual hangouts and try to find new places to go.

There's a second something that I find a lot too, which I've tried to convey and which I think contributes to some of the people around here wanting to misconstrue me;

That's the frequent situation I find where I go somewhere and almost every avatar in the place looks fairly similar to those around it. None of them stand out - none is a very original creation. Human or otherwise - they're mostly just variations of each other.
- That's something that frustrates me a lot about SL. Its such a creative medium, and yet so few people do anything with that. If you don't visually stand out, to me, that's disappointing. I have friends in all sorts of avatar looks, but one thing I'll say for the majority of them is that I could recognize them in a crowd of other AVs if for some reason I had no yellow dot mini-map or name tags.

That's not 'bling' - but it is something, and its frustrating, and that is more-so the sort of thing that in my OP in this thread I meant to convey will leave it not mattering what Emerald does. Crowds move together - and if the crowd moves, it moves.

Aliselia Aeon

Humans for the most part, seem to be herd animals.

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Boy Lane

From what I understand the most popular grids are now Inworldz, 3rd Rock, Reaction, also Sciencesim (Intel). In no particular order. Full list of tested working grids is here: List of working OpenSim grids

eku Zhong

fixed it for you

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Sidney Kwon

I understand to a point what you're trying to say, but why do you feel anyone should be here or in SL in any attempt to impress you? Who cares what you or anyone else thinks of them? Who made you any authority on avie design? I don't give two shakes of a rats ass what you think of any avie I have, human or otherwise and I'm fairly certain everyone here would feel the same way. If they are happy, let them be.

You have cat eyes and a tail with some coloured hair? Whoop de do. That's not creative. There's sim after sim full of people in avies just like that, nevermind RL walls of manga with 'ideas' for you to cull from.

Insulting people for their choice of avie is just petty and obnoxious. I'm sure most of the people here could insult numerous things about your avie choices, but you know what? They don't. Think about that

Nebula

Emerald needs to go down the shitter or make their viewer not suck. I am sad Luna is no longer being released for sl. It was gonna be the shit!

Innula Zenovka

Maybe you and I hang out with different fashionistas. I'm not part of that scene particularly but my bff certainly is, so I know some of them from her parties and mostly they've tried Viewer 2 and think it sucks compared with what they're used to -- perhaps because they don't want to get the hang of a new interface. Certainly the ones who use Emerald all seem to find one or two of that viewer's features which Viewer 2 lacks are complete "must haves". It's different features for different people; my friend started using it,for example, because she takes a lot of pictures for her fashionista friends' blogs and her flickr stream and I recommended it to her for the ease of switching Windlight presets and fiddling with the graphics settings. I hardly ever touch those and she says she now can't do without them.

Other people I know use it for the extra attachment points; I won't use those, much as I'd like to, because I don't like the idea of my attachments floating round looking weird to people who use a viewer that lacks that functionality, but they take the view that their attachments look good to them and their friends -- the only people who matter -- and they aren't in any hurry to switch to some borked viewer that can't display them properly.

Time will tell, of course, but I think V2 is going to have more uphill struggle to be accepted among the fashionistas than you anticipate. And I don't think that LL's promoting it as being designed with newbies in mind is helping it much in fashionista circles, come to think of it.

Sindy Tsure

LL isn't after fashionistas, they're after consumers of any kind..

https://blogs.secondlife.com/message/160201#160201

The context of the comment was about the new HI/WI stuff but I don't believe for a second that they're limiting their 'optimizations' to that.

edit: and of course the majority are consumers, not producers. It's probably been that way for at least a few years now. I just wish they'd remember that they still need to send Linden Lovin' to the producers.

Naeve

Dear Emerald,

I dumped my previous viewer for you because of your beautiful bouncing tits.

Now, I hear that you may be doing things on the sly that may get me in trouble.

What have you done, Emerald?

How can I ever trust you again?

Sad (and saggy),
Naeve

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Circle Widdershins

OK I admit it. It WAS MEH!!

What can I say? They ALL followed my lead when I mentioned the bouncing bewbage.
Show me your jiggling bewbies!! O.O

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Naeve

Will someone with video skills help film me for Circle's thread?

Joseph Worthington

[Insert lewd breast related comment thinly veiled behind terrible flirting here]

Midori Rotaru

I do like the wow Emmy got bouncy boobs .......dont I look great.

Well NO ..what Emerald does is give control of your Boobs to anyone other than you.

Great option ...you have no control how you look how classy or toonish.

Yes I really do want an option that gives me no control over how i look.

Am sure future Emerald will have the choice that we can dress any AV in area how we like and play color their hair.

...plus the ability idiots to tp on top of me...
Emerald belief they have the right to fly anywhere and overule the sim owner.

the cam zoom ....and others.....

There are quite a few bits Emerald would not miss if it vanished into the night.

WarKirby Magojiro

Emerald is a client, they don't have server access. Which means they can't send arbitrary files or settings. Giving control of the bouncy breasts thing to yourself would require you to be able to send settings about your own breasts to other users, which would require linden involvement.


Are you using emerald to reference a group of people? People who use emerald believe what they want.

People have always been able to teleport on top of you. even without emerald, there's a million tp2cam devices and other similar things. Emerald gives a few less scripts for people to be wearing though.

You've always been able to fly anywhere, because LL made the no-flight restriction a clientside one. Even the linden client does it. Try turning on View Admin Options and see. They've been made aware of this issue a long time ago and done nothing to change it.

Don't know what this is about. Can you elaborate?

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Innula Zenovka

I've seen this complaint before and it puzzles me. The only time I use the "TP to" facility in Emerald's radar is as an alternative, when we're on the the same sim, to the normal "TP to" button on the profiles of friends who've let me see their map positions.

I do this precisely because the viewer's normal functionality lands me directly on top of them while Emerald's puts me a metre or so so away from them.

Midori Rotaru

Exactly so what you do with Emerald is give control of your bounce to others whim on the pretense of choice ...though in effect you take away your choice of how you present yourself.Does get a bit twisted doesnt it.






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Midori Rotaru

Simply if I want someone to TP to me ill ask send request .....what

annoys is people looking on there map and TP to me have happily ejected

a few who seem to think its fine to pop up and say hi.

The same with Fly ...its not that this is new but that its made easier .


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Kate M.

Where is the "lolwut" button when you need it? Midori you're making about as much sense as a cat with a lemon on its head.