Psyke Phaeton

Maybe this is holding up the announcement:
"I hear that Emerald is negotiating with the Lab to be exempted from the TPV policies. No idea if it is true, but I've heard it a few times."
-- Twitter / Tateru Nino: I hear that Emerald is neg ...
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Fred Rookstown

That's what I heard, too, but LL probably doesn't give a shit.

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Psyke Phaeton

Given how hard ball LL is playing I bet. Maybe the exact changes are being negotiated. It does strike me as extremely arrogant if they thought they had a chance of being exempted. I wonder how this ties in with Onyx, an attempt to show they are the good guys (now) by shaming others? Something is not right.

Brenda Connolly

Holy FIC, Batman!

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Jesse Barnett

I was going to post that there is no way the lab would be stupid enough to do something like that because of the huge uproar that it would cause. But since I have been wrong every single time I have said that, I guess I won't.

Ryanna Enfield

Most of the places I go, which range from shopping, to clubs, to RP areas, to photo spots, I see about 50 to 60 percent of people identified as using Emerald. The other portion are the 1.x viewer, and maybe... And it is a big maybe... 10 percent of people are identified as using 2.0. I would imagine LL is hoping that the awaited influx of new users will dilute these numbers in their favor. But as it stands, it kind of says something about how well LL listens.

Boy Lane

So this seems most likely to happen then, given their track record and past uproars

Anyway, that whole discussion does not make much sense. Given the Emerald devs logged or logging into SL they have to accept the new ToS and TPV altogether. So they fall automatically under TPV and also accept universal guilt by distributing any viewer that can connect to SL after acceptance. LL then would have to explicitly grant them royal pardon and remove TPV from their shoulders. I'd love to see that happening tho

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Innula Zenovka

I'd have thought it far more likely that any exemption they might negotiate would apply to everyone than that LL ends up saying, "the following bits of the ToS apply to everyone but Emerald". Doubtless any exemptions would be ones that particularly suited Emerald but I don't see how they couldn't at the same time apply to everyone.

I know LL has said that they're not going to change the TPV policy but what LL says and what actually happens don't always coincide. For example, I (and, I suspect, others) acted prematurely by selling some homestead sims under the mistaken impression that the fact LL had repeatedly said the tier on homesteads was going to be such-and-such as of January this year meant this would, in fact, be the case.

Ann Otoole

If the emerald viewer can be made compliant in terms of export restrictions then fine. If not then Emerald does not have to have export capabilities other than save full perms textures to disk just like the LL viewer. I don't see lack of export as a deal breaker.

So the question really has to do with the legal registration requirements and any other useful functionality that LL might want removed. At some point does it become pointless to bother if you can't add useful functionality yet you must accept liability for whatever someone does with the viewer that they could do with the LL viewer anyway?

I understand why Marine Kelly is not too sure about risking rl identity publication by LL whether intentional or unintentional. The code is out there and other viewers can implement and extend it. So RLV doesn't have to go poof. Just has to be published by someone that doesn't care if their rl identity becomes associated with it. Sucks but there it is. K

ingdon is trying to wipe out adult content by forcing rl identity exposure. That is the real root of what is going on. That way we can have fluffy bunnies and kitties in SL with all the kids. Like the kids on the LL forums insulting and trolling people as though they would never be members of the SL equivalent of mYg0t lmao. Kingdon is such teh tard lol. He really has not a clue about how the video game world really works from the player perspective. You either have thick skin or you don't last too long. Dropping kids into the SL community is going to eradicate mature adult involvement.

Kids allowances are a worthy harvesting target though. We must keep our priorities straight right?

Leslie Plutonian

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Angela Talamasca

Yup, the squeaky wheel being what it is.

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Pussycat Catnap

Emerald is not just popular 'round these here parts', but if you hit up some blingtard clubs, its the viewer of choice.

Blingtards will go with whatever the swing-movers in their cliques do. One or two of those people switching to 2.0, and Emerald becomes a minor little known viewer again.

That's not a crowd that's very big on the forums though, but they are on assorted fashion blogs. If they stick with Emerald, something will have to give, or they'll be in shock if LLs shuts down Emerald. But again, if their swing members move on, you'll see them migrate en-mass and 'nobody who matters' will care if Emerald is or is not a choice anymore.

Ciaran Laval

This won't happen, Emerald however may well get some further clarity on issues that will then make the TPV policy more appealing to third party devs.

Ryanna Enfield

Two very important features Emerald has proven are desirable, as well as possible... built in Viewer AO and Radar. These are two scripted objects I wore and will wear again despite impending script limits. Having them built into the Viewer has made TPing places far less painful.

Aliselia Aeon

The radar is one thing I never used in Emerald.

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Myf

The radar's the main reason I still use it. I actually prefer Kirsten's r19 for day to day usage. But for hosting, Emerald's radar knocks Mystitools and similar, into a cocked hat.

Innula Zenovka

I can't agree with Pussycat's assessment that a lot Emerald users are likely to switch to Viewer 2 if some trendsetters take it up. Every discussion I've seen lately in in-world groups about Viewer 2 has had the Emerald users saying, well, of course it doesn't have such-and-such a feature, which Emerald does and which I can't do without. Conversations with friends have been very similar.

It's different features in each case, but I get the impression most people find one or two aspects of Emerald so useful for what they like to do in SL that they're really loathe to downgrade what is, for them, Viewer 2's more limited functionality. That, combined with having to figure out a new, and not particularly attractive, UI seems to be a pretty major disincentive to switch.

Beebo Brink

That was more a gratuitous swipe at "blingtards", which appears to be a meme with Pussycat, than it was an accurate reflection of what motivates people to change viewers. For most people, like myself, it's unsettling to change to something new -- so we don't do it unless 1) the viewer we use now is painful or 2) a new viewer reduces a pain point through useful features.

When SL1.23 came out, I hated the Communications features, so I grabbed the first TPV I could find that had returned to the previous UI (Cool Viewer) and I stayed with it because of other neat features. Even hearing about Emerald didnt' budge me because I was pretty happy with what I had.

All I'm hearing from people right now is how confusing 2.0 is, so I think there will be a big uptick in users trying out a TPV or (if they realize you can) rolling back to 1.23.

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Circle Widdershins

I think v2 is confusing, but that confusion is in the layout, which all the v2 third party viewers will have I reckon. I keep losing functions which used to be at my fingertips without a thought. And having to search for them like a newb! >.<

My conversations with Psyke while we're using the new viewer go like this:
Me: "How the hell do I change Profile pics?!"
Him: "Hang on lemme look."
.........
Me: "Stupid bloody viewer I'm going back to snowglobe!! @#%$*^()%^#$@%^$%#$!@"
Him: "Hang on a sec, I just found a script in my statue."
.......... O.o
Me: "Oh. Here it is. Under the button that says Edit >.>"

(This recreation may not be entirely accurate.)

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Circle Widdershins

The downloadable Starlight skin has been a huge help for me while I'm getting used to v2. The sliding menu bar doesn't push the rest of the window aside - it rolls over. And there's a button for Inventory - less rolling of sidebar required. And build is an option now if I click on a prim, rather than just edit.

Clint Maggs

I'm wondering what you classify a "blingtard" club as.

I know I tried Emerald just because I seen a link to it somewhere a long time ago. I'm definitely not a follower and hardly seen any other Emerald users in our venue after I started using it. Now though..... at least 1/2 of the guests use it as well. Are they followers? Haha.....I'm not sure. But they don't wear "bling" either that I know of.


But as to "what if".... I won't lose any sleep if I can't use Emerald. I'd probably just use LL ver1.xx then.

I sure hope this is a rumor. I can't really see LL making an exception to Emerald with the likes of Skills and Fractured still working for them. I believe this who mess was started by them (and any other unethical employee of theirs).


I am sure LL is not at a point nor wants to be to post any information on the Emerald status but it would sure help. There is just wayyy to much speculation about both sides. I think it would be in the best interest of LL to say something...anything about it.

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Boy Lane

CQFD?

Eclectic Wingtips

Anyone who DARES to come close to a normal human looking avie would guess based on her other rather vicious rants abount blingtards in other threads

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Fred Rookstown

Blingtard: A person who wears so many fucking particle scripts for their stupid diamonds that they crash both sims while teleporting. Or come close.

Blingtard club: Club where particle count exceeds combined IQ of all of the clubbers.