Darling Brody

Im in Australia too and he violated by copyright on QHUD by distrobuting a full permission copy renamed to "QHUD stolen by neillife viewer" as an advertising method to sell his private viewer program.

If neil really is in Australia, I will have him! Suing neil in the USA from Australia is hard, but suing neil in Australia from Australia will be easy!

Someone drop me his details inworld, or on my website. QuantumProducts.org

To wipe this little snot out in court I would be willing to expose my real life identity.

Darling Brody

Like Fred said, I didnt work 16 hours a day for 3 years to build up a business that supports me in real life so that some criminal can come along and collect all of the money I worked for!

Check out this real-time thieves list of people who have obtained stolen copies of my products in the last few weeks. Each and every one of them is costing me a sale, AND bandwidth on my server as their stolen products interface with my webservers.

So not only has neil costed me sales, but he is increasing my running costs too. I'm earning less in sales, and paying out my own money to maintain a service (server) for people who never paid me.


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I'm just one person working long hours in the hope of making enough money to pay the rent and buy food next week. I suspect I am no different to any other creater who started out from scratch.


Thanks for the support Fred XO

Pamela Galli

Jahar wrote:Oh, they realize that. They care about as much as someone who steals your TV or car.

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Argent Stonecutter

If one percent of them represents a lost sale that's more than most pirated software.

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Fred Rookstown

Well, when your bra broke, I had to do SOMETHING. :V

Argent: Her sales have slumped since NeilLife came out and started giving out stolen shit to newbies. It got to the point where we had to start renting out two sims in order to make enough money for her to pay rent IRL. I take 0% of the proceeds, although I do get 4096sqm and 1200 prims free.

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Argent Stonecutter

That doesn't mean that every ripped copy is a lost sale.

I've written and sold video games. Copyright violation is a problem, but the claim that every pirated copy represents a lost sale is absurd.

Fred Rookstown

Doesn't matter how you calculate it. The fact is, sales have been lost.

Argent Stonecutter

I didn't say sales hadn't been lost.

I am objecting to the argument that every ripped copy is a lost sale. And that does matter. That's the logic the RIAA uses to support million dollar fines over 23 tracks, and other complete and utter bullshit that does nothing to protect copyright or promote sales. It's the "reefer madness" of intellectual property.

Jahar Aabye

Perhaps Darling's sales have suffered due to various serverside and clientside patches that have rendered many of her exploits unusable (ie the ability to disallow llMapDestination() in Emerald, serverside sound throttling, caps on blank hovertext, etc).

Well, that and the general economic environment.

However, I would agree with Fred only in the sense that her content may be more likely to be a target for rippers simply because they get tired of having to buy a new copy each time their account gets banned for griefing with it, or due to teenagers not having access to their parents' credit cards.

And yes, I do fully expect to get griefed in-world for this post, and I don't give a shit.

Darling Brody

Oh Jahar, your such a darling. After all these years you still take time out of your busy day to take a swipe at me. You sure know how to make a girl feel special. It really is nice of you to take somthing like neil sending creators all over SL to the wall, and twist it around to slap me down one last time. You are truly a selfless and thoughtful person.


The QHUD (QuantumCore) will not function if it is unregistered. So what I get is a bunch of people who got it free, who then think it is faulty, resulting in negative word of mouth. Of course Jahar and his friends know all about that after setting up a fake Quantum shop and selling unscripted prims as my products.

A singificant number of people will buy a real one if contacted after their name appears on the list. That list is only the people who did not buy one once caught with a stolen one.

I was inspired to create the list after noticing that most of my support IMs were from people without registration asking for an upgrade to a working copy. And after seeing the steady groth of traffic on my server had not reduced in proportion to the drop in sales.

You can argue it any way you like, but the fact is that those people are using software that I created without paying for it, and that is a crime in the USA.

Even if you love me as much as Jahar aparently does, you should not be pro-content theft.

Eclectic Wingtips

I have to say since this was put into the thread. The people buying stolen goods are NOT theifs, or at least knowingly for the most part.To call them out publically on a website and attempt to extort them with comments lik "you will be removed when they are banned" to which the individual has no control considering they are not a Linden Lab employee is NOT the way to go about solving content theft

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Jahar Aabye

Darling, are you referring to the parody called "Core of Quantums!!!!" that Jag put together in 5 minutes and gave out to make fun of your product? That was a joke, a fairly obvious joke, and one that was done in response to his outrage at your suggestion to your customers that they should grief his sim. He was justifiably pissed off and we all felt that having a good laugh was better than being angry. I don't think that anyone could possibly have actually confused it with your product...although I do believe that it was scripted, but the scripts were to do things that were parodies, like giving the user some funny message, or rezzing those self-replicating fish or some other stupid sophomoric thing, I can't remember, it was a long time ago.

To my knowledge, none of my friends have ever tried to sell anything purporting to be your products, as neither myself or any of my friends wish to have anything to do with a product that tries to crash other users' clients or otherwise engage in nonconsensual activities that denigrate another user's SL experience. Please do not make such accusations without some sort of proof to back them up, or you will very quickly find yourself backpedaling and looking rather foolish.

I am sorry that people are misrepresenting their products as being your work. I've seen people copybot our guns and stick freebie scripts in them, and they're usually caught pretty quickly because our products are fairly well-known and people recognize it as being copybotted and IM a staff member and send pics. That's the nice thing about having a very loyal and enthusiastic customer base. But I do understand the outrage when people steal your work or try otherwise try to misrepresent their work as being theirs.

But I do think that you are absolutely right to deactivate products that were ripped or otherwise illegally obtained. I do not know the extent to which the illegal actions affect your business, nor do I know the extent to which deactivating the illegal products helps sales by encouraging people to buy them legitimately. However, deactivating illegally copied products is certainly a fine idea.

Personally, I think that the best method is to maintain a solid, loyal customer base, and continue to innovate and create new products and update old ones, report and DMCA illegal copies when necessary, and hope that LL closes serious serverside exploits when possible. Unfortunately, copying prims is probably impossible to stop, given the nature of the server-client relationship. And as Argent has pointed out many times, at some point in software development you have to accept that some stuff will be pirated and that you can't stop every case, and focus on the product and marketing in the expectation that most people will purchase a legitimate copy.

Fred Rookstown

1. She does have a loyal customer base.
2. Your trolling sucks.
3. If Darling can't use physics/client exploits, neither can anyone else, and yet there's a huge fucking market for them in the form of combat HUDs. Stop whining.

sluftw

If I even made an attempt at pointing out what a silly statement that is in this particular thread, I would be insulting everyones Intelligence imo

Jahar Aabye

Yes Fred, I'm aware that she had a loyal customer base. I was made very aware of this when Darling put my girlfriend's name on the default "foe" list of her product and sent it out to her customers as an update. My girlfriend had to use an alt for 6 months after that. This was back before I joined BlackOps, and so it was just me scripting, my girlfriend animating, and a few builders. Having my animator afraid to use her main account was just a real blast for my business, lemme tell ya. But I'll stop whining now.

Now, I wonder when Darling will apologize for and/or delete some fairly defamatory accusations in her post about me. Either that or pony up some fucking proof, before accusing me of content theft.

As for the rest, sluftw pointed out what I think we all already know, it really doesn't need much more to be said. You yourself actually wrote a fairly eloquent letter to LL about renouncing immature griefing methods, didn't you?

Fred Rookstown

Proof, I require it. I've never seen Darling do anything like that aside from publish a list of people with stolen QHUDs.

No, you won't.
To be honest, both of you have been slinging mud without backup evidence.
What the hell do I have to do with "hurr durr griffin huds"? Do you see my name anywhere on the QHUD? Do you think someone as paranoid as Darling would let me anywhere near her code? I rent out her land and make awkward advances towards her every so often. That's it.

Humps

I was going to be snarky about 'teh dramaz' but that one line disarmed me. Tis wonderful.

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Jahar Aabye

Was in late 2007 or early 2008, if memory serves. Ask her about it, I doubt she'll deny it. She shipped out an update that contained a list of several people she disliked, who had complained about her product publicly, in the default "foe" list. It was even posted on the old SL Forums when people found out about it. We found out when a friend TPed into our sim wearing it and was puzzled that it immediately brought up a dialog box offering several fairly nasty attacks against Sara, without any prompting. Even more puzzling was that it wasn't on the notecard, if I remember correctly, but hardcoded into the script, so it was not immediately obvious unless you manually checked the foe list using the chat command....or I might have that backwards, can't remember.

Of course, the official story was that she "slipped up" and "accidentally" placed her own personal copy of the device with her own personal "foe" list on it into the updater instead of the actual update copy. No seriously, go ahead and ask her about it, I doubt she'll deny that it happened, although she probably will give you that story about it being an accident. She's never denied doing it, though, and the proof was there at the time....if the old SL forums were still up, I think the post where her hitlist was revealed would still be there, although it got locked.

But ask her, I really don't think that she'll deny the basic facts.

Oh, and you might want to search her forums from a long time back when she told her followers to go grief a sim where I was an unpaid volunteer, not even the owner, because I had filed a (confidential, in theory) SEC JIRA about one of her exploits that had the potential for a packet DoS attack.

Methinks there's a lot you don't know about your "friend"....but then again, that's probably because she's your friend. You just haven't experienced what she does to people who get on her bad side.

But whatever, you asked for proof, and now you're going to call me a whiner again for posting it. Even though you'll note in my earlier post that I said that I thought that she was right to deactivate any and all illegitimate copies of her product. But whatever, people who don't like your friends are whiners, I get it. I doubt that anything would convince you otherwise, so why bother. You may be her one final defender in SL, and while I'd normally stand up for the underdog, it's really hard to like someone who complained in her manual that LL had disabled her "Crash" function...as if LL was supposed to just let that one continue to function.

Fred Rookstown

I will. She's in the next sim over, after all and it's 6:00AM so there's nothing stopping me.
She admits she fucked something up and you immediately come to the conclusion that she did it purposefully? Did she remove you from the global shitlist?

One page of results to "grief SEC jahar", 2 of them about you, none about griefing a sim.

I don't know what she looks like, either Jahar. That doesn't make her a griefer. And I see what happens to people who are assholes: They get ejected from the group, and if they're really being jackasses, their QHUD gets turned off. Both are pretty reasonable.

If people are using a stolen QHUD, they also get contacted and asked about wtf they're doing and added to a public list. Although the public shitlist could arguably be really intrusive, it's her product.

You posted no proof. You told me to do my own research when I'm more inclined to go to bed.

As I've indicated before: If your competitors have a function that you do not have, would you add that function, even if it is black-hat? Your milage may vary.

Chalice Yao

If 'Sara' is SubtleSara Oh, then yes, she was on the old foe list. AFAIK Darling supposedly released the list in an update by accident, as it was her personal foe list originally, and fixed it in a further update. But..I don't know details, really. The list can be googled still. Old stuffs.

All in all tho this is going off-topic.

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sluftw

Neil distributes code for profit that negatively impacts the users of Second life, wow, what a jerk

Darling Brody distributes code for profit that negatively impacts the users of Second Life. Well, she is just trying to make a living, If she don't do it some one else will.

Fred was like....even if it is black-hat?

I lol'd

Cincia Singh

What's the matter Fred? The drama on the SLDev list bore you?

/me hands Fred a "Drama Llama" to hug.

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Eclectic Wingtips

I need to start learning coding so I can get a llama... i have a sheep but not a llama!

Cincia Singh

I don't write code ... you couldn't pay me enough to sit and write endless code and debug it ... I watch the SLDev list to see what new features are coming to the SL world. Well, I did until recently when the SLDev list turned into a Drama-mongering shit-storm about hurt feelings and people not getting their way. I expect the drama will die down eventually and contributors will get back to committing code.

/me passes a Drama Llama to confused ... use it wisely and only for good, never evol!