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Old 02-27-2010, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Web on a Prim - Ideas & Brainstorming

It's here. Let's look at the underlying laws about how it works, and how those laws must be worked around to create social uses of this feature.

Semi-Synchronous To trigger a change that every user sees, a new URL must be loaded, or a browser refresh must be triggered. This makes certain sites more ideal than others. Youtube is a classic case. Every video has a unique URL associated with it. Users can individually pause, skip, and mute that video without affecting those nearby, but they're all watching the same thing, and can discuss it, laugh together, or whatever is warranted. Kongregate, a Flash game portal, is another example. You can't all be players within the same game, affecting each other in real time. But you can experience the same game together, discussing strategies, or bragging about your score.

Semi-Asynchronous So when a site relies heavily on interactions with JavaScript, XML, Flash, etc. to form dynamic content, people will see less and less of the same thing. Load up a station on Pandora, Slacker, or Last.fm, and people will only hear the same songs by coincidence. Might as well just listen to the parcel audio.

Clumsier than a browser If you're by yourself, you're much better off tabbing in to Firefox to do most things, even things that trigger events in-world, like XStreet. It gets even worse trying to click things when you're wearing the media prim. Where Web on a Prim shines is keeping a group on the same page (so to speak) about something.



Fun things to try:
Gimme Shiny! - Want to put up some pictures in a build, but have no idea what? Here's an automated slideshow that picks out popular stuff from Flickr and deviantART.

A Daily Dose of Interesting Photographic Inspiration from Flickr - Like the above, but more interactive, with lots of pictures to click.

digg labs / pics - And here's one with animation! As we go down this list, the bigger the prim you need to make this look nice. Gimme Shiny looks fine on a tablet I wear on my avatar, this one may look very squished on it.

infinitube || Watch non-stop, full-screen Il Mistero Della Citt Di Luce, Nine Ita, Film 9 Ita and other web videos from Youtube - A non-stop montage of Youtube videos based on a keyword query, which gets included in the URL, and thus propagated to everyone. For example, infinitube || Watch non-stop, full-screen Il Mistero Della Citt Di Luce, Nine Ita, Film 9 Ita and other web videos from Youtube



Places for ideas:
Award Winners - Mashup Awards - Mashups aren't just two ironic pop songs combined in to one great dance hit, they're also web applications that offer more (or less, which can be useful here) interactive ways of using popular sites.

webapp - Lifehacker - Another huge list of applications, the usefulness of any I have yet to explore.

http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/ - May require some hacking and serious business to really get something relevant to you and yours. Also seems to be down right now, unfortunately.

digg labs - Mostly just things you can watch. Want more? Get to hacking: Digg API / FrontPage



EDIT: Having failed to Google this, I finally managed to dig it up from the Blogforums: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetPrimMediaParams

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Old 02-27-2010, 04:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So Emeralds don't wonder WTF you're staring at, and since autoplay on web prims can be disabled, a texture like this can come in handy:

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Best idea I can come up with so far, is a button on a vendor. Press the button, and another prim pops up, (or the button morphs) and that prim displays a webpage full of information about the item. This could be the XStreet (or other web marketplace) listing for that item, or it could be a wordpress post about the item with pictures, demonstration videos, slideshows, etc.

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I can imagine ways you could have a vendor interact with a web site so that it still stores and dispatches packages based on the displayed product on a page. Would be a far more complicated vendor for sure, but still...
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Best idea I can come up with so far, is a button on a vendor. Press the button, and another prim pops up, (or the button morphs) and that prim displays a webpage full of information about the item. This could be the XStreet (or other web marketplace) listing for that item, or it could be a werdpress post about the item with pictures, demonstration videos, slideshows, etc.
This could be great for vehicle vendors. A lot of my favorite stuff doesn't lend itself well to "demos", as you couldn't really make it intuitive enough and still stick to the realism you're going for. Plus, commercial real estate next to low lag, zero banline sims is not cheap. Being able to call up video without even having the land rights to do so would be a boon there.
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Simple slideshow of products with a black bar at the bottom that contains a blurb and pricing options.

Pay the correct amount of money, server sends you the product.

URL opened would tell the server the object's UUID so it can track payments.
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Simple slideshow of products with a black bar at the bottom that contains a blurb and pricing options.

Pay the correct amount of money, server sends you the product.

URL opened would tell the server the object's UUID so it can track payments.
yea. who needs a sim for a store anymore? Everyone can pay LL 10 bucks a month and live in a box. Then LL's income will drop to enough to barely pay for a 60 person staff without execs and no money left over for all those colo contracts.

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I'm looking forward to making dynamic games. Like, a board game where the board is a web prim with the pieces and such being prims. The board could change around the spaces and such as play progresses -think Mario Party.

This is doable now, but with web on a prims in theory you could have people from the web playing with people in SL.
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webcam on your head.

slimmed-down multi-user synchronous whiteboard (twiddla sorta works but is prone to endless refreshing)

Flickr slideshow galleries for large amounts of pictures in a single area

full SLX integration

HUDs full of information
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I'm curious if this works:

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At least, we will be able to watch youtube videos properly. After purchasing 4 players, I have given up on all 4. They always stop or miss the video somewhere.
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yes i..(pause for 2 minutes) .. (SPAM SPAM SPAM) ..reall .. pause for 3 minutes) ..y love t .. pause for 1 minute) .. o watch you .. (pause for 5 minutes) .. tube videos...

I would not be building any business plans that involve any reliance on free video streaming websites. I don't even expect youtube to be able to stay in business without changing to a paid access model. And youtube viewing in SL pretty much violates the youtube TOS unless you are watching on their website directly so once they see people using it in SL in ways they don't like then Kingdon will get blow-torched and then kill it off in SL.
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it takes you to Virtual Worlds, Avatars, free 3D chat, online meetings - Second Life Official Site

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Go to a prim .. click on it .. go to Secondlife.com

Start a new account from inside inside of second life ....
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I actually have this urge to visit Twitter and Facebook from within SL, the Ultimate Kingdon Experience (tm).

At least I wont have to upload a promotional picture of my item any more, that's $10L LL ain't gonna see from me now!
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I tried out the web on a prim and had my Flickr pics on for a while. It was cool as it was fully interactive.

Then I set it to show Tetris and played for a while, just to see if I could. I now have visions of avatars becoming addicted to computer games in-world!
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Hang on, does this mean that you can actually interact with the web on a prim? Click buttons on the prim just like you were clicking on a webpage??
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Here's a good idea for web on a prim:

[#VWR-17044] Add options to selectively limit media sources to limit IP discoverability - Second Life Issues
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I'm assuming it's a bug, but I hope they limit the range of any web media's broadcast... I was experimenting yesterday and found you can hear the audio from media on a web page no matter where you went in the sim, or even after wandering into neighboring sims. I had to perform a teleport to rid myself of it. That will get old fast.
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Hang on, does this mean that you can actually interact with the web on a prim? Click buttons on the prim just like you were clicking on a webpage??
Yep. They actually did it right.
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Yep. They actually did it right.
SL Users: WE WANT FULL HTML ON A PRIM! WE WANT FULL HTML ON A PRIM! WE WANT FULL HTML ON A PRIM!

LL: Ok, here you go.

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Finally Dynamic Landmark based on dynamic HTML !!

Now you can change your shop location if, instead of a normal landmark, you inlcude a prim with a SLURL that can be updated from a website



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