Jacquelin Seisenbacher

well, I just pulled my xstreet boxes down. I'm done.
What's really sick is that there are a ton of folks who list things for free so that other residents have a fair shake at content creation. I had a set of avatar shadow maps that were $0L for that very reason. There is no way I'm able to pay a listing fee for them though.

Man, today is so not my day for LL announcements

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eku Zhong

*SHOCK* you actually want a SERVICE in exchange for paying them... tsk tsk... you should know better by now.


PS .. i totally agree.. they need to give more options like pick a colour/buy the demo under ONE item listing.

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Erich Templar

Except that it isn't $L3 an item. It is L$10 per item per month. And then they take the commission as well.

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Ciaran Laval

" What about demo listings?

Some free listings are demos for expensive listings. However, the feedback from our office hours sessions was that many merchants already charge for these demos and that these new controls would not be a major hindrance to merchants with demo listings. We suggest that merchants provide free demos if they think that the marketing opportunity of a freebie will boost their sales. Otherwise, we suggest making them a cheap listing instead of a free listing.

Eventually, we'd like to add better "demo listing" functionality. In the meantime, effective immediately, we will explicitly allow our merchants to cross link from the listing for the full version of an item to the listing for the demo version of an item and vice versa. This will not be considered a violation of our listing guidelines and we will update those guidelines immediately. "

Linden Lab Official:Managing Freebies on Xstreet SL Roadmap FAQ - Second Life Wiki

We discussed the demo issue, I believe they should be a deliverable item from the main listing of skins and such like, but LL aren't able to implement such a system yet.

Aki Shichiroji

Pardon me. I had been thinking $300L a month for 30 items, which translates to just under a dollar, and my mind just told me $3L rather than $10L.

Even so, $0.03 USD a month per item is an extremely small price to pay.

Milana Cavan

I knew there was a reason I didn't put my xstreet box back up when we moved - and this is it. Time for me to find an alternate for xstreet.

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Porsupah Ree

You know, I wouldn't mind all this quite so much, if they didn't insist on being so damned 1984 about it all, eg:

Apparently, the Pythonic cheese shop is the ultimate shopping experience.

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eku Zhong

but wait a minute..
so if they impliment that mall thing.. with LL vendors.. and auto Xstreet listing.
they gonna take 100USD a month.. 30% of your sales...
PLUS pay to list on Xstreet
PLUS Xstreet commission...

watch out for this announcement below... coming to a region near you

Toritoys Tigerpaw

Yeah, this is exactly the situation we're in. No promotion, just a few little things we liked and thought we would share. Is there anyone in LL management who's capable of thinking things, like, all the way through?

mcgeeb Gupte

Did they ever consider all of the demos? WTF?!!!

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mcgeeb Gupte

I really hate it when companies say they are improving things but all it does is get everyone really angry. This is not for "us" this is only for their benefit. Why don't they just say it then! We at Linden Lab want to *insert word* you over so we can make more money.

Just4yucks Miami

Well this sucks pretty hard. Just when I was in the process of adding all my products to XStreet in time for the holidays. I have 70+ items in there now, with another 60 or so on the way - or at least that was the plan.

Thing is, my XStreet sales have always been a tiny fraction of my in-world sales. There is no way my XStreet listings will make back their own costs at this rate.

Trouble is, I've never been able to tell how many people find my stuff in Xstreet and then follow the links to my store to see it inworld and buy it there. I'd hate to lose that advertising.

I will probably end up having a "representative sampling" of my product line listed on XStreet with mentions of other colors/similar items being available at my store inworld. I wonder if that will be allowed under the new "Heil Linden!" regime?

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Brenda Connolly

I have to say that this has always been the thing that annoys me most about LL, beyond general incompetency. I understand they are a business, and SL is a product, and they are going to do what they think is best, company wise. But they keep shoveling on all the self serving bullshit platitudes, trying to make it sound like they are looking out for their customers.

Colette Meiji

Ohh just spoil the mystery.

Siggy

Really not feeling the decision on that one - not even sure if what they're doing is going to achieve what they want... unless what they want is just another L$ sink.

Personally, if the problem is overcrowding - then more catagories - subcatagories are needed... leading to a more granular search so that people can find what they want...

If the problem is overcrowding due to an overflow of freebies - seperate freebies into their own area - separate search, and ne'er the twain shalt meet.

If the problem is too much crap due to inactivity or no sales..... make merchants log in and recheck items that don't sell in a month, no recheck - delist....

I'm not getting the 'charging for freebies' thing... not everyone does them as a loss leader.

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Lewis Luminos

They're just trying to suck as much money as possible out of everyone before the entire economy collapses and everyone quits altogether.

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Colette Meiji

Hey LL just became SL's largest freebie reseller ..

Remember back in the day when reselling freebies was considered wrong?

Ned Easterwood

Damn.

I got some really nice freebie skyboxes from there. If the guy (Josue Habana) has a store, it's not indicated. As far as I know, he's just doing it to give back. Where are the people like that going to be?

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Nephilaine Protagonist

The goal here is good, but the approach is deeply flawed.

Meh.

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Beebo Brink

I could (reluctantly) live with the charge for the demo, but the removing it from search is a death blow. Demos need their own status, separate from the restrictions/penalties on freebies.

After giving this whole issue some thought on my drive home, I've come to the same conclusion. Perhaps my stuff is crap, perhaps my market niche is just too narrow, but either way it simply doesn't belong on XStreet any more. To my chagrin, it appears my shapes and skins are part of the "clutter" that is degrading the XStreet experience for everyone else.

I'm pulling down most of my listings tonight. I'll double-check my conversion rates for the demos, and if they're as low as I suspect they are, I'll remove them as well.

Xstreet is for business, not hobby play.

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Siggy

I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole charges in L$, taking a cut in L$ thing. When XStreet was resident owned that was the XStreet income. Now it's owned by the Lab, who owns Lindex and the money making press.

The only angle I can think of as to why the introduction of so many L$ sinks in the announcements lately is to suck more L$ out of the economy so they can run the press and make you pay USD to buy more.

The only way LL makes money on the L$ is by creating more (they work as an escrow for the purposes of you cashing out - resident buying)... dunno, anyone else having that thought?

Brenda Connolly

I've avoided using XStreet mainly because I want to shop strictly inworld, it is part of the reason for being inworld. But now....I have a cause ...I can now proudly say I will BOYCOTT XStreet.

Siggy

I was exclusively using OnRez - from the time it was created till the time it was bought. Mainly because I know the people behind both systems, and was friend of Flipper... I only started using Xstreet after the buyout and shutdown..

I'm seriously looking at alternatives, one was suggested in this thread - I might start looking into apez as well.

Scope

Noone actually buys my stuff but they swarm to freebies. So. they all gotta go.

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MaxDesoto

XStreet search has been terminally screwed forever. When you put in a search term, you get a whole list of categories the search term can be found in, in NO APPARENT ORDER!!

Maddening!!

Ebay does it right and they have waaaaaaay more listings than Xstreet, how hard can it be?