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Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 08:58 PM

I was at Sine Wave looking for some dances and someone sent me a LM to a place selling "used animations." From what it looked like, they were selling the transferrable (no-copy/no-mod) animations that others have bought and sold to them. Of course, theoretically, since they are no-copy, once purchased they would probably disappear from the sales list, but I don't know, and am obviously concerned about the creator and the possibility of stolen animations. Anyone encounter anything like this before? Could this be legitimate, or just another way of hiding the copying?

Aki Shichiroji · 11-07-2009, 09:03 PM

most animations are what... 250? 300L each? 500-750L for couples dances?

Pretty cheap for an endless supply of dancing fun. I'd forego the morally ambiguous reseller market and just buy from the source.

It's very possible the reseller is trying to foist off exploited animations - why else would they be cheaper than the originals? There is no degeneration or depreciation in SL.

If the animations were truly being resold on a regular basis by these individuals, 1) they for sure wouldn't be trying to sell them at the source and 2) they would have to be more expensive unless these were simply duplicates that they just wanted to get rid of.

Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 09:11 PM

Well, if they are indeed legitimate, and the animations are transferable, no-copy, then they would disappear from the store after being bought. At least as far as I know. It would work somewhat like buying used CD's in RL. Cheaper than the original. But in SL it is something that I'm leary of. Definitely don't want to support someone doing something illegal or against the ToS.

**eku Zhong** · 11-07-2009, 09:15 PM

no..if theyre using the exploit.. while the thing is in a prim inventory it has full perm..
once rezzed it returns to original perms
so the prim will spit out endless supply of the no copy thing

SLURL preeeez

Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 09:16 PM

Here's the SURL: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hsinjui%...4/187/174/2001

Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 09:19 PM

I checked the two "owners" and both are NPIOF and about 5 months old.

**eku Zhong** · 11-07-2009, 09:20 PM

oo thankies
ignore my inworld IM hehehe

Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 09:21 PM

LOL I'm logged in as my primary alt, so I'll ignore it when I log in with this account again. lol

**eku Zhong** · 11-07-2009, 09:23 PM

its an exploit, when i bought one of the anims from the vendor... so called no copy.. after i bought it ... it was still in their prims inventory

Kalor Rayner · 11-07-2009, 09:26 PM

I had a feeling it wasn't legitimate, which is why I asked here.

Pamela Galli · 11-08-2009, 02:06 AM

Eku discussed this in the merchants group and one member called concierge, who then began taking the stuff down.

**eku Zhong** · 11-08-2009, 06:28 AM

YAY
i didnt know that was the outcome.. i thought i was being told off...
hahaha

Talwyn Mills · 11-08-2009, 11:37 AM

And yet there are still lots of vendors there right now.

Kalor Rayner · 11-08-2009, 12:38 PM

Thanks for the update on that and the follow-up, eku.

Argent Stonecutter · 11-08-2009, 12:51 PM

If they are selling them from a vendor they are not used no-copy anims. You can not sell a no-copy asset from a vendor, you can only sell a no-copy asset in a "for sale" via "sell original"... and after you buy it you have to pick it up from in-world.

Incidentally, really selling used no-copy stuff is completely legitimate. There are yard-sale places in-world where people sell stuff they bought and no longer need for less than they paid for it just like in real life.

But they aren't selling them from scripted vendors or via "buy copy" or "buy contents" boxes.

**eku Zhong** · 11-08-2009, 01:30 PM

theyre using the standard prim stand and animate animation vendor. It is possible to see the contents of the prim.
I checked the prim contents, bought one of the animations, and then checked again after recieving it. It was still in the contents. I sent IM to Sinewave and the other place .. 3something.. its up to them to do make LL do something now.

11-07-2009, 08:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	Selling Used Animations? I was at Sine Wave looking for some dances and someone sent me a LM to a place selling "used animations." From what it looked like, they were selling the transferrable (no-copy/no-mod) animations that others have bought and sold to them. Of course, theoretically, since they are no-copy, once purchased they would probably disappear from the sales list, but I don't know, and am obviously concerned about the creator and the possibility of stolen animations. Anyone encounter anything like this before? Could this be legitimate, or just another way of hiding the copying?

11-07-2009, 09:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
eku Zhong Rotisserie/Compulsive SLU Supporter caffienating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎 Posts: 1,863 My Mood: Bistro Stars Champion! SLShopper Ads: 10 SL Join Date: 9/29/2007 Business: Apocalips Japan	no..if theyre using the exploit.. while the thing is in a prim inventory it has full perm.. once rezzed it returns to original perms so the prim will spit out endless supply of the no copy thing SLURL preeeez __________________

11-08-2009, 02:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Pamela Galli Senior Member Refugee Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 11-12-2007 Business: La Galleria	Eku discussed this in the merchants group and one member called concierge, who then began taking the stuff down. __________________ Have a dinner party! Cook it in your kitchen and serve it in your dining room! LA GALLERIA

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11-07-2009, 09:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Aki Shichiroji Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,742 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 14 SL Join Date: 7/22/2006 Business: Organica	most animations are what... 250? 300L each? 500-750L for couples dances? Pretty cheap for an endless supply of dancing fun. I'd forego the morally ambiguous reseller market and just buy from the source. It's very possible the reseller is trying to foist off exploited animations - why else would they be cheaper than the originals? There is no degeneration or depreciation in SL. If the animations were truly being resold on a regular basis by these individuals, 1) they for sure wouldn't be trying to sell them at the source and 2) they would have to be more expensive unless these were simply duplicates that they just wanted to get rid of.

11-07-2009, 09:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	Well, if they are indeed legitimate, and the animations are transferable, no-copy, then they would disappear from the store after being bought. At least as far as I know. It would work somewhat like buying used CD's in RL. Cheaper than the original. But in SL it is something that I'm leary of. Definitely don't want to support someone doing something illegal or against the ToS.

11-07-2009, 09:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	Here's the SURL: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hsinjui%...4/187/174/2001

11-07-2009, 09:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	I checked the two "owners" and both are NPIOF and about 5 months old.

11-07-2009, 09:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
eku Zhong Rotisserie/Compulsive SLU Supporter caffienating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎 Posts: 1,863 My Mood: Bistro Stars Champion! SLShopper Ads: 10 SL Join Date: 9/29/2007 Business: Apocalips Japan	oo thankies ignore my inworld IM hehehe

11-07-2009, 09:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	LOL I'm logged in as my primary alt, so I'll ignore it when I log in with this account again. lol

11-07-2009, 09:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
eku Zhong Rotisserie/Compulsive SLU Supporter caffienating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎 Posts: 1,863 My Mood: Bistro Stars Champion! SLShopper Ads: 10 SL Join Date: 9/29/2007 Business: Apocalips Japan	its an exploit, when i bought one of the anims from the vendor... so called no copy.. after i bought it ... it was still in their prims inventory

11-07-2009, 09:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	I had a feeling it wasn't legitimate, which is why I asked here.

11-08-2009, 06:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
eku Zhong Rotisserie/Compulsive SLU Supporter caffienating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎 Posts: 1,863 My Mood: Bistro Stars Champion! SLShopper Ads: 10 SL Join Date: 9/29/2007 Business: Apocalips Japan	YAY i didnt know that was the outcome.. i thought i was being told off... hahaha

11-08-2009, 12:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kalor Rayner A Face in the Crowd Lost in the Twilight Zone Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 186 My Mood: SL Join Date: 7/3/2006	Thanks for the update on that and the follow-up, eku.

11-08-2009, 12:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081	If they are selling them from a vendor they are not used no-copy anims. You can not sell a no-copy asset from a vendor, you can only sell a no-copy asset in a "for sale" via "sell original"... and after you buy it you have to pick it up from in-world. Incidentally, really selling used no-copy stuff is completely legitimate. There are yard-sale places in-world where people sell stuff they bought and no longer need for less than they paid for it just like in real life. But they aren't selling them from scripted vendors or via "buy copy" or "buy contents" boxes.

11-08-2009, 01:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
eku Zhong Rotisserie/Compulsive SLU Supporter caffienating Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎 Posts: 1,863 My Mood: Bistro Stars Champion! SLShopper Ads: 10 SL Join Date: 9/29/2007 Business: Apocalips Japan	theyre using the standard prim stand and animate animation vendor. It is possible to see the contents of the prim. I checked the prim contents, bought one of the animations, and then checked again after recieving it. It was still in the contents. I sent IM to Sinewave and the other place .. 3something.. its up to them to do make LL do something now.

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