Gigs

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Use...t09/transcript

I transcribed the audio to make it easier to discuss.

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Desmond Shang

Interesting.

If I understand what Marty was saying, it sounds like you could add all the ripper content you want to a viewer, and they won't do anything about it unless the entire viewer was determined to be only for that (a la Grokster). And they would just go after users actually doing the violations, not the viewer creators.

Looks like the cryolife dev's just got a free pass to do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they leave some redeeming features in there that ordinary law abiding folks can use?

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Desmond Shang

Oh, and Sitearm likes the jigglies in Emerald.^^ Critical point, in a way!

Gigs

Well, the main message is that functionality is OK but behavior is bad, but then he also says:

So who knows.

Sveid Heidenstam

Are there any more such meetings planned regarding third party viewers and the features people use from them? I'd love to attend such a gathering.

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Gigs

There is another one coming. I think they are invitation only but you might be able to get in anyway if you email blondin at lindenlab and tell him why you should be in there and try not to sound like you will rant and rave too much.

Taco Rubio

"I don't know what you're referring to in the past. " == the main problem there.

Ann Otoole

I find it rather amusing Linden Lab is doing the "Brown Bag" joke to open source people. I fell for that joke once. Was all I needed. I made my recommendation early in the epic troll war thread on the flog and not one person disputed it or argued against it. But by all means go get yourself "Brown Bagged" so you too will know they are playing GTA4 while the residents make noise (bitch) at the end of which they just do what they were going to do anyway.

The only difference, as I pointed out, is they are doing it to open source people this time.

Gigs

If I remember, there was an entire blog post about how they were going to enhance permission/license tagging in order to communicate creator intent better.

Gigs

I have no illusions that they will really listen on any more than a superficial level.

Boy Lane

Even better, they invite only selected folks, and the selection criteria is, well, clear as a Linden . KLee and I were/are not invited. And I certainly will not beg Blondie for it.

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Chalice Yao

Too bad you can't normally re-import with the creator name, and even if it were exported, changing the xml file takes..what, a second?
So demanding that creator name doesn't get changed on export is, in the best case, a silly requirement.



A note about the brown bag, it was funny to see how well the old cliches are true at times. Joe Linden the developer did mostly clear responses, explained viewpoints and gave explainations. Marty the lawyer/community person went 'umm, errr, maybe, we've not decided yet, yes you probably could, ummm, we'll see about that...'

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Ace

Wouldn't rip-off merchants love the ability to retain original creator name on the objects they counterfeit?

When I see notices in CCA group it's stuff like "avatar was wearing hair I recognised as Hair Merchant's, but had their own name as creator."

Gigs

It is silly until we have the capability to reupload while retaining the creator name, which might cause other problems.

Gigs

The one good thing about retaining the creator's name is that at least they would get advertising out of it. It would mitigate a little of the damage.