Ann Otoole

Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad. - Boing Boing

Ambassador Ron Kirk Announces Plan to Move Forward With the Negotiation of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) | Office of the United States Trade Representative

"Members of the public with questions about the status of the negotiations should contact Kira Alvarez, Chief Negotiator and Deputy Assistant U.S. Trade Representative for Intellectual Property Enforcement at (202) 395-4510."

Lordfly Digeridoo

That's nice. Unless they start shooting people for copyright violations it'll still happen en masse.

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Ann Otoole

probably not a good idea to give them any ideas lol

Ariane

From the original source

This must never ever EVER happen!! It will basically make every user of the internet a criminal.

The Revolution is Coming!

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Aimee Weber

I smell a new "War on copyright infringement" brewing similar to the War on Drugs. I suspect it will be equally expensive, intrusive, and ineffective. But it's gonna happen anyways.

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*giggle*

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Lordfly Digeridoo

Given the popularity of Napster/Limewire/Soulseek/Direct Connect/Kazaa/Usenet/Piratebay/BitTorrent/4chan, I'm pretty sure a significant chunk of internet users are criminals already.

So, again, they can ratify treaties all day long. What are they going to do, arrest entire universities?

Ann Otoole

Ask any social order that has been wiped out or almost wiped out in history.

Not going to name any here because it would instantly fork the discussion into raging battles.

My point is that governments have a solid history all through time of rounding up and putting to death all the intellectuals (read smart people, smarter than government drones). So yea they might just do that. Sounds ridiculous but it is a repeating pattern. Prepared to die fighting for your beliefs?

Lordfly Digeridoo

Oh fer chrissakes. The minute governments start shooting people for Britney Spears mp3s is the minute all social order is out of the question anyways.

If capital punishment is enacted for copyright infringement, I'll eat my hat. Right after I kill my neighborhood in a Mad-Max style outfit, of course. Leathers and feathers, bitches.

Lordfly Digeridoo

Really, Ann, is your world view so skewed that you think there's going to be gunfights in the streets over copyright?

Is your terror-meter pegged to eleven?

Ever try drinking some wine? Or smoking some weed? Or sex? Or Bejeweled?

Chantal

Don't go to China - you may be chewing.

Counterfeiting money is a capital offence there.

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Lordfly Digeridoo

Which would make sense, if I could trade some mp3s for groceries.

My point still stands.

Brenda Connolly

The internet is just a passing fad anyway. It's time is about up.

I for one welcome our new extremist overlords.

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Brenda Connolly

When they haul all you downloaders off to jail, can I have your stuff?

eku Zhong

i vote for weed and sex.

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Desmond Shang

I just don't see it happening.

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Merlynn D

Worse. Cut off their internet access.

Tess Whitcroft

User-contributed material? Any user-contributed material in Second Life?

Will your ISP allow access to Second Life if they stand a chance of being liable or will they just play safe and block access to it?

So if anyone should just accuse you of any copyright infringement you will be cut off from the internet.

Tess

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Chip Midnight

I think this definitely goes too far, but is anyone really surprised by it? It's hard to have sympathy for organizations like the RIAA and MPAA, and giant corporations like Disney, but their plight isn't really any different than that of SL content creators. What puzzles me is that people are so quick to decry the utter douchbaggery of SL pirates but when it comes to wholesale casual piracy in general it's the copyright holders who are cast as the villains instead of the legions of people who because of napster and all the similar casual piracy portals that have followed have come to have a total disregard for the rights of artists and musicians.

The even greater irony to me is the same hardcore libertarians that decry the entitlement mentality of the left blindly support the entitlement mentality behind the copyleft movement. I don't support this treaty because it's overly draconian but it sure doesn't surprise me that this casual piracy culture is starting to reap what it's sown.

Tranquility

Seriously?! Dangerous fake products?! Unless I have been following the wrong news these past 10 years or so, the main driving force for copyright reform are the MPAA, RIAA, and software companies like Microsoft. Its laughable to think of the American Consumer in danger from those fake products....

*Bolding mine from the Ambassador Ron link*

Lucifer Baphomet

Recently the French tried to push similar legislation in the EU.

It didn't pass.

I can't see the EU passing laws they just rejected because America wants them to.

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Chantal

Try brake linings made of compressed grass.

Or fake Cisco routers (one ended up in the control tower of a major airport).

Or fake viagra (no active substance, an untested one, or way above the prescribed dose).

Those are all pretty dangerous. And are all fairly common.

Tranquility

In comparison to the real driving force behind this (movies, songs, and OSs) I can only imagine that your examples are a very very very small percentage of the pirated materials.

Not to mention, all those products you mentioned are easily avoidable for the general public. Don't want fake brakes made of grass? Then don't buy brakes from a shady source you don't trust. Don't want a fake Cisco router? Then don't don't purchase one from a resaler you've never heard of. Don't want fake Viagra? Then don't buy it off the internet.

The reason I said that danger comment was laughable was because they are using it as an excuse rather than a reason. Any dangerous counterfeit products can easily be avoided using basic common sense.

Shyotl

Well, perhaps if the RIAA didn't act like complete imbeciles half the time. There's protecting copyright, and then there's suing people for hundreds of thousands of dollars when they don't even own pcs, or are caught with only three or so songs. Their piss-poor methodology is what makes it so easy for people to laugh at them.

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Cincia Singh

So ... basically ... so we've stopped taking our meds and developed rampant paranoia about international treaties covering copyright? Would someone pleeeeease shout "the sky is falling!" one more time?

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