Argent Stonecutter

I'm not defending Linden Lab, I'm defending Lawrence Lessig.

RandoymRandt

I'm not surprised he didn't react if he was speaking, because that's professionalism for ya...

...but I'm guessing unless you're his personal assistant you don't know what effect it had after. I'm sure he was pissed. And I'm sure actions were taken.

And if you're gonna be here, put up a pic for us at least, OK?

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Siggy

Of course, and one your alter egos will magically learn to script overnight

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And as it was in the beginning, so too shall it be in the end. That bullshit is bullshit, it just goes by different names.

Siggy

Yes, I get that.

I'm saying you could give LL a bag of ramen and they'd try and prepare it like raisin bran.

Chip Midnight

I get where you're coming from. Personally I think Lessig is a complete wanker.

Quiplash

Well I said this on Monday, and I'll say it again today:

I know where I'm going to be on my coffee breaks today at work.

Have fun chewing this one to death, everybody....

Hypatia Callisto

Eh, he probably thought it was kewl.

This is the guy who wears the newb avatar and the Rolling Stones t-shirt as his personal motto. Not exactly the picture of originality in avatars

Though I did like his idea to become a marble Apollo, he mentioned that in Rolling Stone.

Hrm. Maybe someone needs to make a Marble Philip Av.

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RandoymRandt

AH! ...so did the person literally copy him or did they just play dress up with their own stuff? I mean, there's a difference.

Siggy

Just like when I read Marx - I find the suppositions interesting, even if I don't agree with them, nor think their end game will work.

Either way LL is a magical machine at times where the disconnect between problem-solution theory-interpretation can be high comedy.

The 'wrapper solution' is a perfect example of that - I have NEVER laughed so hard in all my time in SL than that thread.

Hypatia Callisto

as far as I know, there is an exploit already for anims and scripts.

If true, its a major game changer. As is, it's now so trivial to copy assets that LL will need to rethink how people trade items.

Because I have enough experience in VWs and the 3d communities (where everything is "full perm" - sold with licenses instead) to know that without a way to control the reselling of content and a method to authenticate products, you don't have an economy for very long.

Places that sell with full copy rights are able to control who resells content, you can't just turn around and list what you bought there, it goes through an approvals process. Some slip through, but only after major modifications, and all get tracked down by users eventually.

Circle Widdershins

Do eeet!!!!

Oh and Campbelltown will be covered in a fine layer of red dust that sticks to cars like a bastard.

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Brenda Connolly

They'll do something. They will ask for our feedback, ignore it and roll out some useless new "feature" or "improvement" to take our minds off of it.

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Siggy

shit , I'd do it in front of him and start handing the shit around in a folder saying WEAR ME!

stipulation: *IF* Philip were doing the meeting... many other lindens actually buy and wear product made by others in world, that would give me pause.

As funny as the idea is to watch an audience slowly cloning into the speaker, to 'open source' what is a creators clothes, skins, shoes, to make the point wouldn't sit well with me.

Philip, however, does have the shittiest avatar in SL - I wonder if that irony is lost on him?

Siggy

At this rate I don't think a new shiney prim or ripply water will do it.. maybe we'll get mesh this time!

Siggy

I bet my mother and her white Valiant 'Wog Chariot' are loving the shit outta that!

Brenda Connolly

You mean like FDR did with Pearl Harbor?

Khamon

This is meaningless.

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Couldbe Yue

It's that jewelled codpiece that gets me. My mind boggles every time I see it.

Couldbe Yue

with fluffy dice?

Stroker Serpentine

Argent, I'm not sure if you understood..or if I am misunderstanding your clarity.

How this works is you buy ONE legitimate copy of something, anything, a sexbed an AO or a prefab. While in inventory you change the perms to whatever you like. So, we're not dealing with a NEW creation, but a FULL PERM version of the original creation.

An original creation with your name, your scripts, your animations, your metadata, your timestamps and any watermarks you may apply. Effectively giving someone a full perm copy of whatever you create.

It is my understanding, and I am no programmer, but perms have always been client side. Maybe someone can enlighten us on that. Maybe they have to be I don't know. I do know that once you rez the object it reverts to whatever the original creators perms were.

There is actually a terminology coined for this capability. "Pocket Perms". So adding watermarks or event changes or state changes are specious at best. They are not "copies" of your content, but your original content re-permmed. I have considered two potential detterents to this scenario for several months. And I am not a programmer, so take these suggestions with a grain of salt.

One, would be to do away with the capability to change perms in inventory all together. Sure, the capability still exists within the client. This may not be possible. I don't know. It may mean re-structuring how the client interfaces with the server. I understand the "analog hole" quite well. Perms would have to be applied while rezzed on the grid. This would indeilibly apply the slam bit.

The other, and this goes to identification of already pirated content more than anything, would be the capability to register a UUID as your own. Possibily combining some of the suggestions Huns put forth. Once you have your UUID registered you would have the capability to log into a transaction server that will show you any transactions associated with that UUID. It wouldn't have to give a name or an amount, simply a location. Then you could investigate that location to confirm whether or not it is a legitmate instance of your creation. On the surface this seems conceivable since we already have the transactions of our sales. It's a bit invasive I know. Perhaps a registration fee could be charged for the service.

To play devils advocate here, yes, you can certainly change the UUID of an object by linking something to it or re-uploading it. Maybe a UUID to Key query before a texture can be saved to your local drive. If the extended metadata Huns proposed were incorporated, then there would be an identifiable state change and grounds for a DMCA. Plus, blacklisting of that specific item would not affect legitimate copies. The blacklisting could include some sort of integral notification to contact the original creator (registered UUID owner)for a replacement.

Over the past week I have seen some amazing suggestions that have never been introduced before to my knowlege. Some have been shot down in the past. I think the critical element is to continue to discuss ways to identify pirated content from the original, provide more streamlined notification, effective takedown practices and a tightening of the capablities that allow for viral distribution.

I don't believe anyone expects LL to become the "Grid Police". But we sure as hell could use more granular tools to aggregate, disseminate and distinguish content. We can take it from there.

I am acutely aware of the fine line between security and fascism.

Linden Lab may not want to participate in the "Arms Race", but don't surrender on my behalf. At least give me some bullets, not a butter knife.

Is that too much to ask?

Argent Stonecutter

Um, OK. I don't think you understand him either.

Siggy

Personally I've always thought the entire av looks like the love child of Sid Vicious and W.C. Fields.

Cate

Are people going to this and coordinating questions on record?

https://blogs.secondlife.com/communi...businesspeople

Brenda Connolly

Can I quote that for my blog? it seems to be a good distillation.

Siggy

Would that be because I've also read Marx? Sorry didn't know reading multiple authors did that to you.

And I'm not comparing his work directly to Marx, I'm saying that like him, I find a lot of interesting suppositions that I don't think would work, and is also at times misunderstood and misinterpreted.

Or does his work also have a magical quality that by the reading I would absolutely agree with its findings?

I think you need to go back and bring those highly honed comprehension skills to bear on what I've written, as opposed to what you're writing into it.