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Dancien Graves · 11-27-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Isablan Neva

what will the inevitable evil JIRA proponents be named? It's about time we had some fresh material to mock

JIRAFarians? JIRA-ites?

Fuck, I got nothing

Malachi · 11-27-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Eata

To be honest I suspect Prok roles a dice about what to complain about. And should get out more.

I've always expected that one day Prok is going to randomly declare war on Prok.

Aodhan McDunnough · 11-27-2007, 10:02 AM

I'm not even going to bother reading. Just judging from your reactions and the vibes I've been reading off your posts, Prok must be coming off as a serious nutcase on the Jira.

We use something like the Jira at work and it's not complicated ... and damn it makes our work a lot easier. You just need a few short rounds with it and it will all make sense. The idea is to invest some time in a small amount of complexity at the beginning then reap a lot of benefits later because the information is so well organized.

Jessyanne · 11-27-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aodhan McDunnough

I'm not even going to bother reading. Just judging from your reactions and the vibes I've been reading off your posts, Prok must be a serious nutcase

/fixed

Cindy Claveau · 11-27-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Miriel Enfield

Prok's insane, but I have to agree that the degree of control that everyone has over every issue is a bad idea. I certainly don't want someone screwing with my issues.

The Jira is about as democratic a bug-tracking tool as you can get, and yet Prok insists it's still not democratic enough. At the end of the day, it's not the votes or the length of someone's verbal diarrhea in comments that determines if an issue is worked - it's determined by the Linden staff as they prioritize their own work. The Jira is just another tool for them. Prok uses it like a soapbox, just like she uses every opportunity to spew.

Nothing is more telling than this comment by that Neva person:

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You are taking a biased and wrongful position, Rob, and bolstering an arbitrary and unlawful behaviour of a handful of residents.

Nobody should be forced into attending a "bug triage meeting" on each and every disputed policy in order to prevent it from wrongfully being closed.

What you *should* be doing, Rob, is representing the voice of reason and law and order, and warning WarKirby and Lex that they must cease closing issues arbitrarily merely because they disagree with them.

By giving them their head, you are merely reinforcing the insolent and condescending hacker culture at Linden Lab, and that will spell your doom.

Despite her complete and unabashed ignorance of technical issues (on ANYTHING), she insists on dictating to those who are trained and knowledgable how to do their jobs, and then insults them as a "hacker culture". It doesn't get any zanier than that.

Lex Neva summed it all up in one seemingly-overlooked zinger:

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Prokofy, please don't confuse your opinions with common sense.

Aspen d'Grey · 11-27-2007, 10:10 AM

Oh-kay... I got bored, I want to read that linden response and then I'm going to waste my time on something marginally useful.

Miriel Enfield · 11-27-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

The Jira is about as democratic a bug-tracking tool as you can get, and yet Prok insists it's still not democratic enough. At the end of the day, it's not the votes or the length of someone's verbal diarrhea in comments that determines if an issue is worked - it's determined by the Linden staff as they prioritize their own work.

Yeah, but it seems like they're less likely to notice your issue if it's closed -- nevermind if someone has edited it beyond recognition. I'm not saying Prok isn't nuts, or that her complaint that it's not democratic enough makes much sense (the JIRA interface could definitely be friendlier, but it looks harder than it actually is), just that she does have a point about the degree of control that everyone has over every issue. Unfortunately, the point is also buried beneath a pile of total insanity.

Natalie P. · 11-27-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Miriel Enfield

Unfortunately, the point is also buried beneath a pile of total insanity.

That really sums up Prokofy in general, doesn't it?

Cindy Claveau · 11-27-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Miriel Enfield

Yeah, but it seems like they're less likely to notice your issue if it's closed -- nevermind if someone has edited it beyond recognition. I'm not saying Prok isn't nuts, or that her complaint that it's not democratic enough makes much sense (the JIRA interface could definitely be friendlier, but it looks harder than it actually is), just that she does have a point about the degree of control that everyone has over every issue. Unfortunately, the point is also buried beneath a pile of total insanity.

All true. But I'm at a loss to think of a better method of determining bug fix priorities - my own company uses a tool very similar to Jira, except that priorities are set by the IT management, usually without much influence from the front line where the work is actually done. Our system is not democratic and was never intended to be - I'm not sure how any work tool could ever really be totally democratic and still function. Our IT folks pay the programming bills and hire the programmers. It would be nonsensical for other departments (or our customers) to set their priorities for them.

That's her normal modus operandi, however. Take one scintilla of truth and bury it so deep in bullshit and jingoism it gets lost. I don't think she is capable of realizing how self-defeating that approach is. But that's our Prok.

Ten · 11-27-2007, 10:45 AM

YAY morning giggles!

Mordos Yering · 11-27-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

That's her normal modus operandi, however. Take one scintilla of truth and bury it so deep in bullshit and jingoism it gets lost. I don't think she is capable of realizing how self-defeating that approach is. But that's our Prok.

And the poor dear doesn't have Second Citizen anymore to abuse as "the bastion of evol," so she's likely flailing around to find new enemies.

ZATZAi · 11-27-2007, 10:58 AM

Are we suddenly allowed to talk about Prok on SLU now?

Jessyanne · 11-27-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ZATZAi

Are we suddenly allowed to talk about Prok on SLU now?

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware we were not allowed to.

Mordos Yering · 11-27-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ZATZAi

Are we suddenly allowed to talk about Prok on SLU now?

IBTL!

Well, I'd rather vent here than to help hir clutter up JIRA.

Ayu Sura · 11-27-2007, 11:01 AM

She is banned here, so since she cannot defend herself, talk about her is not encouraged.

Ten · 11-27-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessyanne

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware we were not allowed to.

We can partially talk about her as long as we don't take her to task or personally insult her, because she can't access the SLU forums to defend herself.

Cindy Claveau · 11-27-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ZATZAi

Are we suddenly allowed to talk about Prok on SLU now?

I didn't think the prohibition was against talking about her so much as it was against attacking her when she couldn't respond.

This thread has as much discussion about the Jira process as it does about Prok - my sense is that Prok's just being dismissed as a Don Quixote in search of a new windmill. The Jira process, on the other hand, is a worthy topic of discussion and disagreement. You won't get much disagreement on Prok.

Nika Talaj · 11-27-2007, 11:29 AM

Thanks for calling this to our attention, Warkirby.

prinţesă nină · 11-27-2007, 11:34 AM

is this the 'call to arms' then?
'i cant handle prok on me own. come to jira and help me shout down prok'.

Mordos Yering · 11-27-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by prinţesă nină

is this the 'call to arms' then? 'i cant handle prok on me own. come to jira and help me shout down prok'.

It's more like "come watch the antics." There's no need for assistance with dealing with P, as hir own tactics are inevitably self-defeating.

Nika Talaj · 11-27-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mordos Yering

It's more like "come watch the antics." There's no need for assistance with dealing with P, as hir own tactics are inevitably self-defeating.

Lol so true, as noted Rob has already expressed a wish to resolve the issue today. couldn't resist just one ittle bittie poke to the troll, tho. Bad Nika!

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