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Mnkeeboy · 01-21-2009, 11:49 AM

The merging of the grids, Teen and Main all in one | A Crimson world

"What was a rumour seems that will be a reality soon. Philip Linden in his interview in Metanomics yesterday and Blue Linden in this Plurk started by Damien Fate talked about it. Teen Grid and Main Grid will merge soon"

There are links there to the text of the actual announcement by Phillip himself.

I personally think this is a great idea since I'm building a new "AdultsOnly" grid.

I said it in the LL forums and I'll say it here. LL has taken it's management lessons from eBay, branching out where they shouldn't. Increasing fees for decreasing service. Restrictive payment options, etc.

It's a bad road for a lot of us to follow but LL is definately trying to position itself in a place that a lot of it's current userbase doesn't want to be.

**Vertigo Paris** · 01-21-2009, 11:50 AM

So basically, business as usual but without the so called veil of 'protection'?

Dnate Mars · 01-21-2009, 11:52 AM

I would guess this will also mean the bring back of age verifying.

Lucifer Baphomet · 01-21-2009, 12:01 PM

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PHILIP ROSEDALE: Generally, I think that the future of Second Life needs to be one where people of all ages can use Second Life together, and that’s the direction that we’re taking in our planning and our work. I think that the educational opportunities for Second Life are so great for all ages that we need to make it as available as we possibly can to people. If you look at what we’ve done with the Teen Grid, I think we’ve done a good job, as a small company, of being inclusive and creating an environment in which teenagers were able to use Second Life, I think, perhaps earlier than, I don’t know, we might have been able to. We pushed hard to get that working.

But, if you look at the problems with having a teenaged area, which is itself so isolated from the rest of the World, they’re substantial. There’s an inability for educators to easily interact with people in there because we’ve made it an exclusively teen only area. Parents can’t join their kids in Second Life so problems like that are ones that we think are pretty fundamental and need to be fixed. We need to stop creating isolated areas that are age specific and, instead, look at how we can make the overall experience appropriately safe and controlled for everybody. So that’s the general direction that we’re taking there.

ROBERT BLOOMFIELD: Do you expect any official action or public notice on this anytime soon? And is the idea am I hearing you right that it would basically be to allow people of any age to come into at least some parts of Second Life? Is that what I’m hearing?

PHILIP ROSEDALE: Definitely. From my perspective, our long term strategy is that but I won’t make any specific “this is what’s coming next and that’s where you can expect it,” in that regard. We’re still working on how to do that and what to do next.

In other words.. We'd like to but we dont have a fucking clue how to do it because age verification failed.

Dont expect the merging anytime soon

Ingrid N · 01-21-2009, 12:02 PM

This certainly seems like a prime opportunity for Media Pedo Hysteria 2: Electric Boogaloo, except this time it will be someone e-fucking an actual 13 year old, not some 40 year old pretending to be 13.

Cringe.

Edit: Wait, didn't they announce a grid merging as far back as 2006?

Chalice Yao · 01-21-2009, 12:03 PM

They really are considering merging the teen and main grids.

(Tho I guess this one is on the right board

)

Dnate Mars · 01-21-2009, 12:04 PM

They have been talking about merging the grids for years now. We will see if it actually happens any time soon.

**Bard Jameson** · 01-21-2009, 12:05 PM

How am I supposed to age-play convincingly with actual teens on the Main Grid? They'll suss me out in a second!

Rhonda Huntress · 01-21-2009, 12:08 PM

Old news.

Eata · 01-21-2009, 12:10 PM

They merged right about the point they didn't bother to authenticate signups in any way.

Natalie P. · 01-21-2009, 12:22 PM

Time for another round of The Sky is Falling! Everyone remember to panic in your designated sub-groups.

Jessica Robertson · 01-21-2009, 12:24 PM

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We need to stop creating isolated areas that are age specific and, instead, look at how we can make the overall experience appropriately safe and controlled for everybody. So that’s the general direction that we’re taking there.

Did anyone else read that as ominous as I did?

Like, hello sterile world?

**Vertigo Paris** · 01-21-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

Did anyone else read that as ominous I did?

Like, hello sterile world?

That would bring a whole new meaning to the phrase about rats fleeing a sinking ship.

I would love to see them take bleach to SL and not expect a massive hemmorage to occur.

Dnate Mars · 01-21-2009, 12:28 PM

I don't believe even LL is stupid enough not to realize that the only reason they are still around is because of how few restrictions there are within the world. If a sanitized grid is what is wanted, everyone would be in There.

Jerboa Haystack · 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vertigo Paris

So basically, business as usual but without the so called veil of 'protection'?

Dang it Verti....ALWAYS US PROTECTION!!!!

Oh..wait..what was the topic?

**Vertigo Paris** · 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM

Or playing the Sims.

/me runs and hides now.

Lucifer Baphomet · 01-21-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

Did anyone else read that as ominous as I did?

Like, hello sterile world?

Not. Gonna. Happen.

With the freedom of content creation in SL, this would be an impossible task.

Joshua Nightshade · 01-21-2009, 12:30 PM

Nobody's going to take away your penises.

I promise.

**Vertigo Paris** · 01-21-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Nobody's going to take away your penises.

I promise.

Now I have Denis Leary running through my head:

Quote:

We did it all. Cocaine? We started that. You're welcome! What a great drug that was. Yeah, I'd like to do some cocaine. I'd like to do a drug that makes my penis small, makes my nose bleed, makes my heart explode, and sucks all my money out of the bank. Is that possible please!? I'd like to make this face all night! I'd like to sit in the bathroom and talk to a complete asshole stranger for seven hours on end. Is that possible please!? With no penis and a nose bleed! Where do I sign up!? Take my penis away!

Jessica Robertson · 01-21-2009, 12:36 PM

I don't know, I think it's pretty rational to do a double-take when the head of creative direction and ex-CEO talks about "controlling" the overall user "experience." I also think he was either being irresponsible with his statements or he meant, quite literally, what he said. Considering the negative media exposure that LL has received in the past, failed age verification, the possibility of merging the teen and adult grid, and the legal ramifications of such an action, I think it is possible he meant exactly what he said. It has been pretty clear for the past couple years that his creative direction involves education, business, and corporate customers.

Ace · 01-21-2009, 12:42 PM

OK, ask yourself this- if age verification was the only issue, then why are adults not allowed on the teen grid?.

LL have a "PG" grid already, which they could have chosen to open up to all and expand accordingly. They won't let adults on it. Think about that for a bit.

Lucifer Baphomet · 01-21-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

I don't know, I think it's pretty rational to do a double-take when the head of creative direction and ex-CEO talks about "controlling" the overall user "experience." I also think he was either being irresponsible with his statements or he meant, quite literally, what he said. Considering the negative media exposure that LL has received in the past, failed age verification, the possibility of merging the teen and adult grid, and the legal ramifications of such an action, I think it is possible he meant exactly what he said. It has been pretty clear for the past couple years that his creative direction involves education, business, and corporate customers.

True...

Now, Education seems to do well..

Hiwever, Inworld business... shitloads of it relates to sex.

Corporate customers... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's proved to be an Epic Fail

FlipperPA Peregrine · 01-21-2009, 12:45 PM

This will end well.

Jessica Robertson · 01-21-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

True...

Now, Education seems to do well..

Hiwever, Inworld business... shitloads of it relates to sex.

Corporate customers... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's proved to be an Epic Fail

It really all depends. This is entirely speculative, however, if he has it in his mind that:

1. Education could do much better if it weren't for the negative media image and the amount of sex related material in SL.
2. That Inworld business will evolve to sell other products and services.
3. That many would leave, however, new accounts would be gained because of the lack of adult material.
4. With the lack of adult material, other corporations will be more likely then they are currently to participate in SL.

There are a lot of conjectures here, but it is about trade-offs and his personal assessement of the situation and future direction for SL.

Considering his stated goal of fostering real world business and education in SL, I am not sure how to take the original statement.

Lucifer Baphomet · 01-21-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

It really all depends. This is entirely speculative, however, if he has it in his mind that:

1. Education could do much better if it weren't for the negative media image and the amount of sex related material in SL.
2. That Inworld business will evolve to sell other products and services.
3. That many would leave, however, new accounts would be gained because of the lack of adult material.
4. With the lack of adult material, other corporations will be more likely then they are currently to participate in SL.

There are a lot of conjectures here, but it is about trade-offs and his personal assessement of the situation and future direction for SL.

Plenty of corporations have been in SL.

The corporate experience inn SL, wasn't a matter of sex putting them off...
it was sims no one was interested in going to that put them off.

01-21-2009, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mnkeeboy Senior Member Plotter of Evil Machiavellian Plots Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 283 My Mood:	Teen & Adult Grids to merge The merging of the grids, Teen and Main all in one \| A Crimson world "What was a rumour seems that will be a reality soon. Philip Linden in his interview in Metanomics yesterday and Blue Linden in this Plurk started by Damien Fate talked about it. Teen Grid and Main Grid will merge soon" There are links there to the text of the actual announcement by Phillip himself. I personally think this is a great idea since I'm building a new "AdultsOnly" grid. I said it in the LL forums and I'll say it here. LL has taken it's management lessons from eBay, branching out where they shouldn't. Increasing fees for decreasing service. Restrictive payment options, etc. It's a bad road for a lot of us to follow but LL is definately trying to position itself in a place that a lot of it's current userbase doesn't want to be. __________________ The Right and Honorable Lord Mnkeeboy, Chief Jester to The King and Plotter of Evil Machiavellian Plots, Puller of Strings, Dastardly Demolisher of Love, Hypnotizer of Truth and Whose True Power Was Hidden by a Position of Seeming Inconsequence, But Characterized by the Blood that Flowed Through The Streets Like Stuff That Flows Through The Streets in Large Amounts. So Sayeth the Trout. XE3 http://www.XE3000.com/ Extreme Entertainment and Unique Shopping.

01-21-2009, 11:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Illyngophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Home Posts: 10,885 My Mood: Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire XBOX Leaderboard: 37^th	I would guess this will also mean the bring back of age verifying. __________________ SLU Clubhouse - Open 24/7 Visit at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tan/138/25/25

01-21-2009, 12:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ingrid N Undercompensating 4 ears to hear you better Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,212 My Mood: Business: liminal. Blog Entries: 1	This certainly seems like a prime opportunity for Media Pedo Hysteria 2: Electric Boogaloo, except this time it will be someone e-fucking an actual 13 year old, not some 40 year old pretending to be 13. Cringe. Edit: Wait, didn't they announce a grid merging as far back as 2006? __________________ liminal.: Skins & AOs! More fun than a subincision!

01-21-2009, 12:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chalice Yao The Purple Kinda at work. Somewhat. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somewhere purple, Germany Posts: 3,096 My Mood:	They really are considering merging the teen and main grids. (Tho I guess this one is on the right board ) __________________ "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" - George Carlin

01-21-2009, 12:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bard Jameson Situationally Obtuse SLU Supporter Cliqueless Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,529 My Mood: SL Join Date: 1/27/2008 Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	How am I supposed to age-play convincingly with actual teens on the Main Grid? They'll suss me out in a second! __________________ Photogenix Flickr Stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34885797@N08/ Photogenix Blog - http://photogenixstudios.blogspot.com/

01-21-2009, 12:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Illyngophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Home Posts: 10,885 My Mood: Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire XBOX Leaderboard: 37^th	They have been talking about merging the grids for years now. We will see if it actually happens any time soon.

01-21-2009, 12:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rhonda Huntress Adult Content Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,479 My Mood:	Old news.

01-21-2009, 12:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 706 My Mood: Cone Crazy 2 Champion! SLShopper Ads: 1	They merged right about the point they didn't bother to authenticate signups in any way.

01-21-2009, 12:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dnate Mars Tastes like purple Illyngophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Home Posts: 10,885 My Mood: Wordtris Champion! SL Join Date: 01/27/2004 Business: Scripter for hire XBOX Leaderboard: 37^th	I don't believe even LL is stupid enough not to realize that the only reason they are still around is because of how few restrictions there are within the world. If a sanitized grid is what is wanted, everyone would be in There.

01-21-2009, 12:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
Vertigo Paris is fiesty! SLU Supporter Now hiring minions Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Displaced Bostonian living in a weather confused Texas Posts: 8,904 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 2 SL Join Date: 11/22/2006 Blog Entries: 1 XBOX Leaderboard: 40^th	Or playing the Sims. /me runs and hides now.

01-21-2009, 12:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	Nobody's going to take away your penises. I promise.

01-21-2009, 12:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jessica Robertson Senior Member On Fire! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,992 My Mood: SL Join Date: Dec 2004	I don't know, I think it's pretty rational to do a double-take when the head of creative direction and ex-CEO talks about "controlling" the overall user "experience." I also think he was either being irresponsible with his statements or he meant, quite literally, what he said. Considering the negative media exposure that LL has received in the past, failed age verification, the possibility of merging the teen and adult grid, and the legal ramifications of such an action, I think it is possible he meant exactly what he said. It has been pretty clear for the past couple years that his creative direction involves education, business, and corporate customers.

01-21-2009, 12:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ace Crackpot Vigilante Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 517 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 3	OK, ask yourself this- if age verification was the only issue, then why are adults not allowed on the teen grid?. LL have a "PG" grid already, which they could have chosen to open up to all and expand accordingly. They won't let adults on it. Think about that for a bit.

01-21-2009, 12:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
FlipperPA Peregrine Evil Incarnate! Recursion is beautiful! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 6,378 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 2003-11-14 Business: Peregrine Salon	This will end well. __________________ Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

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