AlterEgoTrip Svenska

I always suspected that SL buisness would be an attractive place for money laundering, but never really thought about the credit card fraud aspect, but this is only because I only thought my card company got upset because it was a foriegn money transaction.. I can see where they would have to be very careful, but I must say that there was at the time PROBLEMS on the sight for billing and that even the telephones were down at the time I had a problem and needed to speak directly to someone. I was worried I was going to get my account frozen and my access locked out.

Seriously.. but they instead charged to my account and put me in the minus, which in a way was technically the same thing. It seriously limited access to buying and selling anything at the time but was eventually cleared UP. Problem was if it haden't it would have eaten up any earnings I was getting. All because they couldn't bill my card and I couldn't get in touch with them.

I certainly couldn't upload anything for those two weeks! That puts a damper on creating anything for sale inworld. But thankfully it was cleared up, but it did take 10 days to even ANSWER. I invested my money in my membership because I thought after the 6th month, that I was going to stay and do some work here.. that I was used to the problems and that things had become clearly better. And for a while they were, but maybe I was a bit too idealistic especially after seeing what LL has done with the people who did buy land and pay massive amounts of tier.

It sometimes feels like they don't care about the residents nor the content that is created, they care more about what lines their own pockets even at the cost of community, such as the openspace incident which we are generally suffering the maliase from in the market..as well as the moral of the community of people who really wish to use SL as a tool for something more than just a social extention.

I can only hope that they are using that money to improve things rather than wreak havok which has been happening since the openspace issue arose... even if it has nothing to do with "low end" user, me, it has everything to do with a certain amount of faith we had.. faith enough to pay for the service as opposed to treating it as nothing more than a game.

I liken SL sometimes to others who don't understand the idea of virtual worlds as a 3-D web hotel, in which you can create things spacific to the "experience" and even sell them (as you can sell or get clicks on your web page via many different companies and make micro earnings) When I wanted to actually take the plunge and get a membership, one of the things my friends told me is that it was crazy.. to this I asked, "well, how much do you pay for your web domain name?" and it was more per year than an SL membership. So thats why I joined. It made sence.. but I'm getting frightened that soon it won't make sense any longer, but I still have my hopes and I hardy have scratched the surface of my tallents, and I am still in awe discovering the tallents that many people have awakened within SL's contexts.. and various applications.

I'm not ready to jump ship, nor ready to go elsewhere but many others still are... and this although isn't really relavent, SL must be careful to remember that there are other options and that sometimes the only reason people stay somewhere or leave is just due to how they feel they have been treated.

(on the topic... the rumour machines on the whole Simone and Prok issue is thus, it is heresay only because it was NOT Simone who personally responded but Prok in her place.. saying she had permission (but how do we.. as the public really know?? we don't and because of Prok's past, how can we trust her words? all they are is words.. If Simone wasn't treated well, its her place to say so.. and its her place to say, "I didn't like it, I thought I would and I will not pay.." but then not Prok's to publicly put a private conversation "out there" and then insist that LaLa provide proof.. when she did, she points out that it was in violation of privacy...but wait.. WTF??? no wonder I feel weird about this crap)

Joshua Nightshade

Just to clarify something, since Prokofy keeps harping and still gets it wrong, per usual (hi Prok! ) --

I have no problem with the "concept" of a commercial grid. I have a problem with the ones that specifically exist today because THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG. I also have a problem with the commercial grids today because they're essentially taking software that's developed for free in the mostly free time of its devs, and charging for it. You can make arguments that they're providing a service and thus it's fair for them to charge, even if they aren't contributing anything back to Opensim, but that's not an argument that I personally do much more than raise my eyebrow at.

Notice that I used I in the above paragraph, as it's MY opinion, divorced from Adam's or anyone else involved in Opensim. I don't speak for him or anyone other than myself. I know you'll have a hard time understanding that, but hold my hand, let's try.

LCO is the only grid that has a developer of Opensim on staff. I don't know to what extent the work she does in LCO makes it back to Opensim. Open Life Grid used to contribute back to Opensim, but somewhere along the way they got greedy and became closed source and stopped giving anything back to the project that started paying Sakai's salary.

"The point is, both of them have a stake in seeing various types of grids spring up from their platform OpenSim, and they are obviously going to take the side of their software customers."

I will say this is partly correct, except it's the Opensim devs' platform, not mine. I am nothing more than a user. On my personal level, I have an interest in seeing Opensim develop further than SL and further than the Lindens will do with their own grid. That's completely true. But when grids are run by shitty people, like OLG and Central Grid, or doing stupid things, like LCO, or just leeching off of free software and charging for... well I don't know, toss a coin, then that doesn't help Opensim, and it makes Opensim look bad. When Sakai promises that people who join OLG will get 45k prims to play with but neglects to mention that you're lucky to get stability with half the amount that's available on a full sim in SL, and people flock to OLG to go "WOAH PRIMS!" and then realize it's a fake promise, people blame Opensim for that, despite none of its devs ever making such a promise.

I am critical of that, and I have been critical of that many, many times. I get to be critical of that, because I'm a user, and not a spokesperson for Opensim, despite your (Prokofy's) repeated attempts at linking my words to Adam.

So the point is, I have no problem with a commercial grid. I have a problem with THE commercial grids we have to choose from TODAY because largely they're either shitty, run by shitty people, or not worth paying for because Opensim is alpha and SL users have had five years of paying Linden Lab to beta test their software. I have no interest in supporting any of the grids that exist today, and have said, many times, that I DON'T support any of them, except OSGrid, which is free, and part of the development and testing of Opensim, as it should be. My criticism of Prokofy and my support of Lala (in this instance, nothing else) is not because I have a vested interest in third party grids succeeding (I don't, I don't do anything for Opensim at all except submit bug reports and test in my free time, the same as any other user can), but because this is another example of Prokofy's misrepresentations and attackings.

Ewan Took

'technocommunist'? Should he be insulted by that? Is it meant to be insulting?

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Briar Bing

Prokofy's latest:

So, the post remains. The link to my article remains. All this is interesting, and since I filed an abuse report on Briana Dawson under the heading "harassment -- libel"

Interesting that he tacked on "libel" when he gets all apoplectic about being accused of libel, himself.

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Lucifer Baphomet

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AlterEgoTrip Svenska

I just want to state in full agreement with you concerning these statements- I too have no problem with the commerical grid, but I feel that having an option or two open is a healthy enhancer due to the fact that one must not destroy competitors.. Its a shame that I was never keen on ever joining Lively, but with it gone, I feel that SL may become too at ease with its way of running things..

I want them to be eager to give us the service we pay for, and in turn I want to feel confident happy to pay for that service. I get the impression from many of the people who are "happy" with SL, myself included, its not because of the way its run, its not the fixing of the problems, its nothing that we ourselves didn't create and so I wonder, what IS it really why we stay..

I think for me its the people I have been working with, and those who convinced me to join (who only joined with free accounts and never upgraded them and yet are serious money spenders inworld which LL should UNDERSTAND not to kill the free accounts or this system WILL suffer) its the beautiful and fancy things that we can create outside of the default world (thanks Chip Midnight I owe you so very much for that and don't even know you) Its the fact we can take something and create it ourselves how we see it and then share it with others.

But then we don't need "SL" or anyone to do this for us, but then again its a two way street because I hardly see the attractiveness of the platform as interesting without any content.

I think what we need to see, even if I have nothing vested in it and choose to stay in SL forever, a healthy opensim showing them how it COULD be done.. nothing more.. I would really enjoy seeing it.. but then its sort of the idea of changing countries.. (which I have done personally) in some countries you do not know that you are NOT free until you go to another one, and realize the "rules" were arbetrary and when they did work they were biased. It doesn't mean that my new country is better (ok maybe it is) but the difference gives me perspective on how the other country could have been run better.

OFF TOPIC, well sort of...

I challange the Troll "Prokofy Neva" to a game of chess! Just so that she can spend more time in SL and get some personal agression out of her system without resorting to more LIBEL and illegal matters.. or just angry blogging. If she refuses, its possibly because she's afraid I will win..

I haven't played anyone for a while, not since I was pregnant with my son .. and anyone else wishing to play me, send me a time and date and TP and I will see if I can make it.

Joshua Nightshade

Oh and apparently according to Random Commenter that No One's Ever Heard of But Who Suddenly Knows Everything, Adam owns SLU too!

AlterEgoTrip Svenska

Man- according to this unknown blogger, YOU LOT OWN EVERYTHING I suppose you will be blamed for global warming, global cooling, the first iceage ever and Spice Girls

Adam Zaius

I had nothing to do with the spice girls. That was totally Joshua's fault.

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AlterEgoTrip Svenska

well there you go practically a confession in SOMEONE's eyes..
.. you may have as well confessed to it all then.. parners in crime.

ooh that Unknown blogger is going to have a field day with that.. and will probably blame you all for Stalin and Lennin next

MadamG Zagato

Well that's just....ludicrous ...or Ludacris!!


What's your fantasy Prok? Blog 'bout that.

Charlemagne Allen

I knew that Briana Dawson was a shady character! That techi-wiki grid-communist!

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Io Zeno

So I made Prok's blog, she is pleased with my posts, you may shun me now.

SHUN.

Joshua Nightshade

I would shun you, but I'm too busy remembering why I FUCKING HATE DESIGNING WEBSITES FOR IE, BECAUSE WHENEVER I TRY TO FIX ITS STUBBORNNESS, THE SITE BREAKS IN EVERY OTHER BROWSER.

Macphisto Angelus

One thing about commercial grids vs. LL.

I was in Legend City a week or so back. A random person came up to me and started chatting about the grid some. In the course of discussion they told me they were a Linden (and which). I won't out them because that would just not be nice. I can tell you that according to her LL is not scared of the grids. In fact they are working with places like LCO and especially OSGrid (non-commercial) to figure out a way to make it all work together.

Now, that is no secret to anyone that has followed the gridnaut program, etc but the mentality of the Lab being stone cold afraid is not accurate according to her.

She was on her lunch hour at the time. I was VERY impressed with her attitude.

So, OpenSim may help LL in the long run to grow. At least the Lindens she works with welcome it all and hope each can work together in ways.

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Macphisto Angelus

No shun here.

I like you for being YOU, not what you think about some things.

You made me re-think some of my own attitudes. Why people find it necessary to demonize someone that does not agree with them I will never know.

Phoenix Psaltery

Why would you want to design a site to be compatible with a POS browser that lets malware in like a $1.98 padlock?

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Joshua Nightshade

Because it's still got the most market share, despite logic.

Briana Dawson

But I am BDSM Bitchy which is so many levels above TechnoAnything.

I'm like level 70 in ProkWoW.

Charlemagne Allen

Do you have an epic mount? Does it require a strapon?

Cindy Claveau

Gigs

You are missing the point of open source. No OSI approved open source license forbids selling, value added or not.

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Lucifer Baphomet

ProkWow... pffft

those of us in the original toxic 20 played ProkEverquest....

And the original FIC played ProkMUD

Fox Stirling

According to w3schools.com:



So, at the latest count, IE holds about 46.6% of the market share, with FireFox only trailing behind by 2.4%...

Eff'm I'd give IE a 'best effort' but wouldn't make a change to the point where it breaks for the other half of the market, then just add a 'Best Viewed on <insert browser of choice>' comment on the footer or whatever

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Gigs

Hehe, nice. That is somewhat biased data though, since it's visitors to w3schools.com.

I really don't care who's winning personally, so long as there's at least credible competition that forces everyone to take interbrowser standards seriously.