Macphisto Angelus

Glad you liked it.

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Jahar Aabye

First off, everyone knows that the internet is not for Yahoo Chat and such.

The Internet is for Porn. (Avenue Q ftw!)


Secondly, after reading Josh's posts, I'm even less convinced that this constitutes libelous harm. If we're going to actually go the route of calling Prok a journalist here, then what Prok did is at worst "Yellow Journalism." Prok interviewed one of the participants in the spat and then posted her side in her blog. Prok may or may not have contacted the other side, dunno. The other side likely sounds as though she would not have responded. To the extent that Prok reported anything as "fact," it was that she was writing what Simone claimed.

I actually find it rather telling that this Lala person is going after Prok and not Simone.


And finally, this is nothing even close to Tenshi's little fuckup vis-a-vis Rezzable a few months back. Now that might have qualified as libel.

Cristiano

Simone isn't saying anything publicly? Her speaking to Prokofy about this situation is what launched this whole thing - she put this all out there in public. If you recall the original thread, people here were immediately jumping on the OMG LCO stole stuff bandwagon and sticking up for Simone.

My supporting Lala in this had nothing to do with Prokofy being the messenger. It had to do with my actually speaking with her, asking what happened, and seeing how far out of proportion it had been blown. It also comes from having known her for over four years, and knowing that she is not prone to drama or making wild claims about things, unlike Prokofy, who has a pathetic track record in that regard.

Ultimately, I don't think lawyering up may be the best course of action either in terms of settling the issue - though Simone also lawyered up prior to the letter going to Prokofy. However, I can certainly understand the desire to want to. Prokofy has crossed the line often enough that it is only a matter of time before it does escalate even beyond a C&D into a lawsuit. I was surprised ESC never went after her.

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MadamG Zagato

I am suprised (after a few days of reading) that several ppl never went after her...including you.

LOL

Cristiano

Talking about blog entries not being harmful, I found this one related to this situation:

Metaversally Speaking.. » Legend City Online: The End?

It is calling LCO a con, and advising content creators to remove their stuff. It also references IMs being sent around SL telling people to remove their stuff because Simone was robbed!

This is clearly harmful to a business. What can or should be done is the question.

MadamG Zagato

Wow, what a train wreck this is turning into :/

Io Zeno

People have spoken to Simone as well but aren't relaying it here.

I do not punish Simone for talking to Prokofy nor do I immediately assume this was some little conspiracy cooked up between them, ffs, Cris, this is really getting crazy.

Io Zeno

lol, actually, Prok made that point, that what people are saying elsewhere is far more incendiary than anything she blogged but she gets the legal threats, why?

Macphisto Angelus

Briana got sold up the river right off the bat in the reply letter.

Oh, and what is a SL Legend exactly? Simone makes clothes.. ok. I never hear her name come up when you see the old "where do I get such and such type clothes" or who is the "best clothes makers" threads.

Since when has anyone in SL been at a point of Legendary status?

/derail sidetrack.

Io Zeno

She was big when I first came into SL.

Legend? Whatever, everyone it seems is a legend in their own minds in this story.

Taco Rubio

who the hell are you guys talking about?

Macphisto Angelus

Exactly. I *heard* of her but never see her mentioned.

I laughed when I read "Second Life legend Simone.. blah blah".

They are a fucking person. They log into a computer. Legend?!?

Macphisto Angelus

Now see.. Rubio gets it.

When I think of people who get heralded as legends or superstars in SL I think to Rubio's old profile.

He said something about we all are just sitting around in our underwear eating potato chips or something.

Perspective FTW!

Rema Quandry

This is one of those situations where people would probably be well-advised to just sit back and watch . . . and learn.

We certainly won't help resolve the situation by fighting amongst ourselves.

It is important to stick up for one's friends; but sometimes the battle belongs solely to them . . . and shouldn't be carried beyond the confines of their direct conflict. They'll settle it . . . somehow.

I'm always suspicious when one or the other party takes something "public" when they shouldn't. This seems to me to be an attempt to martial public opinion on their side to help coerce or corner the opposition into doing something the opposition really doesn't want to do. It's a game tactic rather than an attempt at reaching a mutually acceptable solution by dealing direct.

In this situation, though, I'm not clear on whether this is operating. It's possible that one of the principals discussed the situation with this bogger Prok--whom I don't know and don't care to know--and she may have taken it out of confidence and precipitated the blow-up as we see it now. But I don't know. New twists and turns to this situation keep arising to further confuse any fair and objective analysis as far as I'm concerned. So I watch.

I know neither party; however, I've been watching these alternative grids as prospective future expansion directions for the business I will soon be opening. If nothing else, I will learn from this particular conflict how LCO interprets its TOS . . . and how harmful that might possibly get for anybody bringing content there.

So far, I wouldn't move into LCO with any of my content until this situation reaches a resolution . . . regardless of what anyone's saying in this or that blog . . . or on any forum.

How the pincipals play this out between themselves will tell us a lot about all parties concerned and how they conduct business and treat others.

I always have to remind myself in these kinds of situations that everyone involved in an altercation like this will--understandably--"frame" their arguments and the information they provide publicly in such a way as to present their behavior in the best possible light. Both sides will insist they're in the right, and both will tend to "sin" by omission or will suffer from significant memory lapses or . . . (you get the idea). And this will muddy a fair and objective analysis by all parties who weren't direct witnesses to what originally transpired.

Usually, but not always, the truth resides somewhere in between the extremes everyone sees.

Only time will provide us with that perspective.

--- Rema

Macphisto Angelus

Good thoughts, Rema. You will never make EnCore's list with that sit back and learn mentality though.

Taco Rubio

The last legend on a computer was Zelda.

anyway

Somebody please PM me when this fascinating observational humor comes to an end, and send me a 20 word writeup of wtf it was about. If Lippmann is too weird to do so, I'm counting on you to, Macphisto.

Macphisto Angelus

Synopsis will be forthcoming.

Isablan Neva

If you do it in smilies you get to use this one


a lot.

Cristiano

I didn't say it was a conspiracy cooked up between them. However, Simone did speak through Prokofy, so her side was relayed as part of Prokofy's blog entry with her full blessing, as Prokofy acknowledged. That she has chosen to say nothing else publicly (supposedly at the advice of counsel) is her choice. I'm not sure why you are not taking Simone to task for lawyering up, but are so shocked LaLa has.

There are two separate things involved here. One is the dispute between Simone and LCO, which was a private matter that should not have been made public. By it being made public (Simone going to Prokofy), it then becomes a matter of public discussion and interest.

The second issue is Prokofy's use of her blog to present accusations as fact, not opinion. She has a well documented history of doing so, and it ultimately leading to legal action is hardly a shock.

One thing we can agree on is this has gotten totally out of hand, not in small part by the destructive nature of presenting allegations as facts and the nature of how quickly this can all spread, innocence be damned.

Jahar Aabye

The reason no one has taken Simone to task for lawyering up is because pretty much everyone agrees (or should agree) that once one side sends you a C&D letter or some other official legal document, you need to consult a lawyer. Not really all that big a deal. It was in response to legal action instigated by LaLa.

That being said, you do have a good point Cristiano about people using blogs to present opinion as fact and the issues of legal action. It does make me wonder about Ten....again, that fuckup with the Rezzable eyes thing was something where, at the time, I was surprised that there weren't threats of legal action....and probably the only reason that there weren't was because the money involved was too small. That one pretty much crossed the line into libel, where it was presented as fact that Rezzable had stolen content when in fact there was no actual evidence for such (and a few minutes of basic fact-checking showed that they didn't).

In this case, though, there was at least good reason for Prok to believe that was she wrote was based in fact, as it was based upon facts related by one party to the case. Of course, Prok should have been more careful to use the word "allegedly" but still.

Briar Bing

None of us can "punish" anyone. We are simply voicing opinions. Just as you are.

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Taco Rubio

That's true in theory.

Briar Bing

You're right.

I saw your election season interview.

And you use my loofah, prick.

Are you playing Whitesnake, by any chance?

Io Zeno

Cris, I certainly never took Lala to "task" for getting a lawyer, I did for her having him send a C&D to a blogger who she was openly fighting with.

You say Simone is "talking through" Prok, maybe she is, maybe she isn't, but there seems to be a hostility directed at her simply because Prokofy is on "her side" and some assumption of the rightness of Lala because of what? She is your friend? Simone is also people's friend.

I'm really done with this now.

Briar Bing

Simone retained counsel well before the C&D appeared. She did so because of the IP issue. Further, the C&D is not aimed at Simone, it is aimed at Prokofy.