Baby Daxter

I'm not really sure if this is a stupid question but oh well i'm gonna ask anyway lol

Well i've been working as a dancer in a club for about 3 days now and i'm struggling you could say too attract attention too myself. I have a good avi and i'm friendly but yet i've not really had anyone come sit with me or if they do sit down it's for the girl next too me. I've not really made any tips either while working there and i've been doing it pretty non stop for the past two days. So i'm completely blind too what i'm doing wrong.

Is it because i'm new too the establishment that i'm being snubbed so too speak or am i just not good enough lol, it's making me wonder if i should get out now while i can.

Is the SL club scene going down?

Briana Dawson

Well the club scene is alive in well in SL.

It could very well be your avatar is not attractive to the clientele there. Are the other girls emoting and such, or just dancing without emotes?

I know i go to a club where my avatar is a turn off to the majority of the people who go there, but that is life.

Ingrid N

Obviously you need to post pics* of your avatar so we can judge you.








*naked pics.

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Vaelissa Cortes

Obviously they don't know anything, your avatar is super cute !

Xiomara Mendes

It could be a number of things. I see that you have a very new rezz date- if you're an alt or returning to SL, you might want to mention in your profile that you're not a newbie. Some clubgoers do not like girls with newbie avatars.

What language is spoken by the majority of the people who go to the club? What country or countries are they from? If your primary language is English and the majority of people who go to the club primarily speak, say, Spanish, the language barrier could prevent you from getting tips. Also, people from certain countries (and to avoid a forum war, I won't say which ones) have a reputation in the club world for being poor tippers. If your club is catering to a clientele that does not tip well, you'll have a hard time making money.

How are you interacting with the customers? Are you friendly to everyone, or do you only talk to people with payment info on file? Do you engage people in conversation? Do you rely on saying things like "tip me to strip me"? Do you emote well? Do you use a lot of chatspeak ("hi how r u hunnie lol")?

Without seeing you in the club, it's hard to say what you're doing "wrong". However, you might want to take a half hour or so to see what the top earning girls are doing. You can learn quite a bit through quiet observation.

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Kyllie Wylie

a lot depends on your dress (including skin and shape), how well you emote and the theme of the club, also maybe the other girl is a long time dancer there and had "regulars"

I mean if your dancing in a furry club dressed as a "human stripper" your not going to get a lot of attention. If its Grunge/Vampire/Demom/Neko/Rocker/etc... you have to dress apropriatly.

Always error on the side of wild or over the top dress as well, as a old RL friend of mine told me, you never ever want to look like you should be *in* the audiance.

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Vaelissa Cortes

Any dancer that does this should have to pay the customer to be there.

Cindy Claveau

The first and foremost reason a dancer wouldn't get as much attention in a club is because they haven't been there long enough to be regarded as a 'regular'. I'm not talking a few days - it takes weeks, maybe a month or two, before club regulars recognize you and associate you with someone having an engaging, fun personality.

The second reason is usually because of the avatar. I haven't met too many people in SL who like hearing that their avatar shape and skin needs work, but the fact is that a large percentage of avatars in SL are disproportioned, unrealistic, sometimes cartoonish looking. Sure, this is subjective, but if you look around at other avatars and take mental note you'll eventually see where you might need to change some things.

For females, the hardest things to get right are usually:

* Face - the standard face is ok, but not unique. Most of the shapemakers in SL don't vary much from the median norm when it comes to face. But I also see eyes that are too large, oversized lips, sometimes cheeks too prominent. That sort of thing. If you're not adept at working with the appearance sliders sometimes it pays to spring for a pre-made shape until you master the art.

* Boobs and butt - I remember a comedy show once where they did a faux survey on the street. The girl taking the survey did the first part with her boobs bound tightly and covered. She hardly got anyone to answer her questions. In the second segment, she showed off lots of cleavage and the difference was remarkable I'm not saying you should crank your sliders out to 100 - that's the wrong thing to do. You can make a very nice chest with sliders in the 60-70 range if you manipulate cleavage, sag, etc. Same with butt -- anything over about 40-45 is going to look like you were created in a Robert Crumb cartoon.

* Skins - I think it was Beebo who once said that she never alters her shape to suit a skin, but looks for skins that compliment her shape. That's great advice. But here's the rub: A good skin will run you $800 to $1200L. That's 3 or $4 USD, but how long will it take you to recover that in tips? It's like a catch 22, and I suggest to prospective dancers that they would be well-advised to already have the skin, shape, hair and clothes before they take up dancing for money.

* Clothing - see skins. Dancers are a bit different than other avatars, in that your goal is to dress provocatively to attract attention. I'd be on the lookout for stores that offer that sort of clothing at good prices - Haalsa Hallard, Decadent Designs and "FuK'N'Hawt" are three that come to mind right off the top of my head. You should be able to put together a good assortment of miniskirts, latex, and lingerie for about $1000L or less.

Bottom line: Dancing with the intention of making money is almost a zero-sum game, especially at first. It takes money to make money as in all things. If you're intent on doing this, make friends with the other dancers, get their advice, and get lots of face time at the club - eventually people will know you on sight and you'll find things go a lot easier.

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Ingrid N

Being a creepy creep, I went and checked out your profile inworld. You have no picture in your profile, nothing in your about section and that coupled with your avatar being barely 2 weeks old is not very compelling. Put up a cute picture of yourself (pg-13 obviously) and something like "hay I love second life i love being sexi and cute and hawt you can see me dance at *insert club here* ^_-", except actually compelling and people will think you are more than a throwaway alt.

Baby Daxter

Briana i believe my avi is attractive i'll post a pic at the bottom though for you all too judge. The club i work in the girls do emote and then sometimes they don't. The club is very ranged on that front i think. Oh and the club is a average club, i work at Platinum Escort Club.. it's filled with escorts most the time so that could also be a reason i guess.

I'm not really a alt, i'm just returning too SL from about a years break so i know a bit still and am catching up on the rest etc. The club has alot of languages spoken but i have noticed alot of Spanish tend too come in. I think i emote good and i always say hello, how you doing today etc. I'm always friendly ect.

I try too make my clothes stand out and i generally do.

I try very hard not too use chat speak but sometimes i slip up i guess.

My picture:

Baby Daxter

Ingrid, i've not done the profile yet i know i'm planning too get right on it when i log in and put in my profile pic. I've just finished it today.

Cindy Claveau

Ok, forget what I said about your shape and skin. You have that part well covered (pun intended) I won't get into minute criticism of a few flaws I see - you're already one-up on most female avs.

It comes down, then, to longevity and personality. And if you're competing with escorts that might be a problem right away if you're not offering the same, um, services as they are.

Tranquility

Its probably a number of things. Could be that you are being snubbed by regulars who came to see their favorite girl. Could be that your avie isn't up to par with the customer's expectations (if you have freebie stuff, it usually shows). Could be that your social (emotes/texting) skills aren't up to par with the customer's expectations. Could be that the club isn't popular or attracts the wrong clientele (i.e. if the club draws in a lot of noobs).

It could also be an issue with your expectations/attitude. What you think your services are worth may not be in line with the clientele. The clientele may expect more effort from you than you are currently giving (but please, don't spam/nag clients!)

I couldn't tell you what the issue is without seeing you at work. But I was in SL for several months and learned a lot of social skills prior to attempting to dance. And I was a regular at my club for a while prior to applying for a position on the stage. Also, a lot of the dancers hung out at my club even when they weren't on the stage and there was a lot of tipping between the employees off the stage to those on the stage.

I think if you treat SL dancing as a job, you probably won't make that much SLmoney.

Baby Daxter

Thanks Cindy that means alot because your avi is just sexy as hell and so beautiful from you little avi picture and if you wanna add them few flaws please do i'm always up for critisicm

Tranquility, i can see what you mean and it could be that i'm being snubbed i guess for the regulars. I think my avi is upto par and my emoting skills are so so. I would not mind sticking a emote on here for you too judge if you wish. The club seems pretty popular but i think mainly because of the escorts. I'm not really doing it just for the money in no way at all. Too be very honest poledancing has been facinating too me for a very long time and because i probally would never in RL i wanted too in SL and i love it, i love being around others, i love flirting and talking with people. It's how i get my highs i guess.

Cindy Claveau

Thanks, but my forum avatar isn't the same as my SL avatar.

Ok, here's the picky bits.

One, your face is great. I wouldn't change a thing. And in the future, when you're skin-shopping, look for something that compliments what you've already built there.

Your boobs do look just a smidge too "blocky". It might be that you haven't given them enough slope or "sag" (I think that's the slider). At some point in Appearance settings, insufficient sag will end up giving you the "too many implants" look as your boobs ride too high on the chest. I'm not saying they should sag to your knees But breasts look better with a natural slope to them.

Can't see your butt there, but from the front it looks like you're close. I will say, however, that your waist could use a couple of notches on the slider. I was afraid of giving my shape too much natural body fat for a long time, but when I started playing with it I realized that *some* body fat actually helps fill out the form and make it look better all around. Not too much, but a few points on the slider really make a difference.

You may already know this, but I'll add it anyway for random readers: The first thing you should always do when you intend to alter your shape is to "Save As" and give it a new name. Then if you want to go back to your old shape, it's still in your inventory and can be switched easily at will. I normally have 2 current shapes: one with my regular bum at 38 or 40, for pants and shorts. The other is my "skirt bum", where I shrink it down to 30 or lower so system mesh skirts don't make me look like there's a caboose following me around. I name my skirt shape "Cindy 12-30-08 butt 30" for example to give it a date and the slider I changed. Then it's a simple matter to just double click on the shape I want for each occasion.

Xiomara Mendes

You should *definitely* say this in your profile. The fact that you're dancing at an escort club means that the clientele expects a bit more than the clientele of a regular SL strip club would expect. Since your co-workers are escorts, they're going to do a bit more than regular dancers to attract attention. This is not to say that you cannot make money as a dancer in an escort club (I did!). In fact, some of the escorts make more money from dancing than escorting, since quite a few guys go there "just to look". However, if you give the impression that you're a noob looking to make a quick buck, most guys will ignore you.

I'll also say this- I made more money as a dancer when I ditched the slutwear and started wearing retro style dresses and lingerie. They're sexy and feminine, but give the right amount of mystery to catch a guy's attention. It's definitely something to consider. Who could resist fishnet stockings?

Petra Paderborn

I fully agree with all of the other posts. It does take time to get established in a club as a dancer. Key points are to interact with every guest. Do you have an AVI scanner so you know when a new person arrives? This will help you greet them more quickly.
Also where is the host/hostess in this club. A good Host/Hostess will "promote" the new dancers and get them noticed by the clientele.

Hang in there tho, practice your emoting, learn to emote general flirts to catch the attention of the crowd. You have a gorgeous avi you just need some time.

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Tranquility

I don't think posting an example here will help that much (though it probably couldn't hurt...much. I promise not to bite too hard). Emotes really are a situational thing.

Being in a popular club may also make it harder to get a foothold, since you are competing with a lot of other girls for attention and customers get distracted by advertising and the size of the place.

You may want to look around for a smaller niche club, while staying employed at your curent place. Look for one that is geared toward a more mature SL crowd, prefferably where the owner isn't looking just to turn a profit. These types of clubs usually aren't that big, aren't in the top search spots, and don't have much, if any, advertising and shopping. Becomming a regular at one of these kinds of places usually will make all the difference in the world if you end up working there.

Brave Republic

Baby Daxter...contact me in world if you wish. I usually help Noobs with makeovers and probably have some high end free stuff I can give you.

You might also want to look into getting a "babbler" a free translator.

Also consider popping into the club when not working at different times to see what time slots seem the most crowded. As a new dancer you may be stuck with the worst shift time as a filler. No offense meant by that term, but that's what a lot of clubs do. Once you put in some time, you should be able to switch to a better time slot.

Also, think about whether you really want to do this. I was a host for a friend's club for a while and was darn good at it. I was very lucky if I broke $1000 Linden in a night including the $400 I got paid. People tip in world like its a real US $20 bill and not the $20 Linden worth just a penny or two. every now and then you 'll get a decent tipper that throws you a few hundred Linden but thats not enough to have kept me there. Do you really want to work two hours of real life time for $2 US plus a few lindens worth of tips?

Better angle would be to pick up a trade making stuff and throw wares on Onrez and XstreetSL . Nothing is better then pulling up that site and finding your balance higher as a result of some sales.

However keep in mind you can only sell what you take the time to list--I've been slacking on some of my better things I've developed since the first items I put there. Some really cool retro 1948-late 50's working TV sets--especially a cool console model with doors that function

Anyway best of luck to you!

Brave

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Brave Republic

Food for thought:

I have given this more thought and I have a general question. If the poles all have the same dance animations--assuming they are Sine wave which appears to be the best-- what makes you stand out from the others? Since by the limitations of SL you really can't do any moves more exciting or enticing then your fellow dancers, how do you draw customers other then by avatar appearance and/or comments and/or things you imply you are willing to do?

Also, do people really pay for this in SL? If you hang out at a WA for 20 minutes you could theoretically get quite a few booty call hits from women quite willing to do all this and more for "FREE". Also many females seem hell bent on showing you dance moves or pole dances they have picked up there as well. or you could just sit and stare at female avatars in silks, or do a search for free sex rooms , or....

So ask yourself what can I do differently from my direct competition and from those giving it away ?



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Baby Daxter

Cindy i'll work on the breasts i notice actually myself that they are probally a little high lol i'll work on my breasts and hips and post the results back up here.

Xiomara - I'll get it added too my profile and i'll have a look for retro lingerie and dresses can you reccommend any shops, oh and stockings i have been told of a good place but for the life of me i can't remember where i was told lol. So again what's a good shop for stockings

Petra - I do have a scanner it's a simple radar hud. The club does not really have a host/hostess for events and the events are generally held when i'm in bed about 5pm SL Time though the club is busy all day long.. it's one of the reasons i chose the club.
I'm hoping too attend a few rp classes too help with my emotes and i'm getting the hang of flirting.

I think what's so embarrising for me is i've been with my partner in RL for about 5 years (since i was 17) and never really had the chance too flirt or go out on the pull lol so never really had too flirt. So i'm not exactly great at it.

Tranquility - I'll have a look for another club but the only problem with it really is i have too be exclusive too the club i'm with at the moment so i'll have too leave i think.

Ok a emote:

Baby Daxter slips slowly around the pole.. her creamy thighs grip around the pole tightly slowly slipping up and down as she grinds hotly into the cold steel.. teeth sinking down into her lush pink lips holding in a moan of pure pleasure her eyes slip across the room.

Baby Daxter slowly drops too her knees before **** her soft pink tongue slips sensually along plump lips.. her fingers drifting down as her hips shake and grind down onto the stage below.. moaning hotly feeling ****** eyes watch her every move.

Baby Daxter slowly slides into the pole... her soft breasts pressing tightly into the cold steel her gaze slips across the room too the arriving ****** smiling seductively she softly speaks... Hello ***** Welcome to Platinum.

Ok so i've done a few examples of the type of emotes i'd do. One in general, one too a specific person and one for a greeting though we don't often greet like that.. just mainly say hello etc.

Pick Reuploaded:

Darkley

on a side note......

I have never been a dancer, but a few months ago, me and my sl partner decided to have a competition - dancing on the stripper poles together - first to 1000 wins

took us an hour, he battered me (1500) to my 990, basically because we were 'funny'

He wore his kilt, emoted 'shows his left nut in appreciation of the lovely lady' etc

I war ripped clothes and smoked, and 'coughed in your general direction in a sexy manner' and so on

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Baby Daxter

Hi Brave thanks so much for the offer i'll contact you as soon as i get online again. i've been thinking of getting that babbler and i think i will it should really help etc.

No Offence too anyone that creates or that's just starting but i personally don't see the point in doing that. The system is pretty much saturated and people tend too stick too what they know and like. So i honestly don't see the point in even trying and plus my photoshop skills are not exactly great and don't get me started on my Building skills.

Yes the poles are pretty much the same but alot of us sort of use both the poles and personal dances... i have some sinewave ones i use and i'll dance on the floor in front of someone or on the stage edge. I'm not really sure what could make us stand out better than the others other than we try very hard with our emoting. I know the escorts do alot too keep there clientel. The freebie dances are not exactly great either.

Lourdes

Ok ummm... I really don't like to critique other people's shapes because personally I feel it is up to personal preference. But since you are trying to do something to please someone elses eye then I think perhaps I can help.

This is a virtual world you can go for perfection in proportions. To me your top portion and your bottom portion are kinda off. You have big bewbies kinda a small waist then you flare out to nice hips and butt then you have thin thighs also now that I look closer your arms are kinda thin in proportion to the stuff going on in the torso area.

I think its an issue with the thickness and/or body fat slider.

As for the bewbies.. when I changed my shape a few months back I made the bewbies more realistic and turned up the gravity slider. All my guys friends I asked perfered the ones that had gravity almost as zero.

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Baby Daxter

Ok sorted my profile out, got a picture on and added some words

Hope it looks better now