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Old 12-29-2008, 04:42 PM   #51 (permalink)
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From my own experience as both a dancer and a customer, I disagree. Long emotes are annoying and disrupt the local chat flow. Not as much as gesture spam, of course, but in a way emotes are just a different kind of gesture.
True Cindy I agree. What I was actually thinking is if Baby is working on off event times when its slower a longer emote would keep the client there and happier thus encouraging tips. Obviously during busy times or events there is enough chat going on that something of that lenght will get missed or look like spam.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:00 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Thank you Petra that's very kind of you but i can see where Cindy is coming from they are pretty long i'll need too cut out some of the flowery words lol.

I agree with the never initiate its wrong and often moaned about.

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That's a good idea though too flirt in Im's.. never thought of that before.. makes it more personal.
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No it was not really clubs that have lots of events just more events when i'm online. I live in the UK and can only be around till about 2pm, 3pm SL Time at the latest so i'd kinda like a place that has a couple during the day time but i'll check listings etc.
Maybe try working in the morning. I know a few dancers in the EU who do that... the US has more of a tipping tradition than Europe (from what i understand) and by working mornings you can take advantage of that.

If you do that you might want to try using some British slang in Your emotes, that would set you apart from the rest and maybe make you a bit exotic from the US viewpoint.

DON'T use long emotes... people are too lazy to read them.

DON'T emote too much, some dancers almost become little spam machines spitting out emotes every few mins.

DO pay attention to what is happening in the club, take part of the conversations, take cues from the songs being played and work them into your actions.

DO learn what the guests like (and they are guests not "marks") Person A might tip if you flirt with a girl, person B might tip of you do something that would make them blush. Oh and don't forget to flirt with the girls too.

DO treat everybody the same. The noob who tipped you the only L$ 5 he had, the person who tipped you L$2500, and the person who didn't tip you because they were broke at the moment all should be treated the same.

DO have fun dancing... that is really all that matters

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Old 12-29-2008, 05:14 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Jumping in, you might want to try what guys call peacocking. I think one of the reasons Xiomara did better with the retro lingerie is that she stood out. Peacocking is a pick-up technique which involves adding an odd or unique accessory to their outfit to make them different. It makes them stand out and sets some difference between them and the people around them. In my experience, if a girl has a unique vibe, she'll be more intriguing and draw attention. Supermodels tend to have something different and odd about their faces, lead dancers tend to have different colored leotards or something... change your hair color to something wild (but still pretty of course!), or wear some very odd and different shoes (heels? All the girls are wearing heels, how about lace lingerie with army boots!)... along with all the other advice in this thread that should help you be more memorable.

Edit: The British slang too, that's another way to be unique as Johnnie said. If you use voice at all, your accent will be a very big draw to yankees
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Jumping in, you might want to try what guys call peacocking. I think one of the reasons Xiomara did better with the retro lingerie is that she stood out. Peacocking is a pick-up technique which involves adding an odd or unique accessory to their outfit to make them different. It makes them stand out and sets some difference between them and the people around them.
You mean something like ... ooooohh, I dunno, a MASK?
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Which is why I'm mentioning it, take it straight from the cover model of "Standing Out Weekly".
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what do you mean by morning Johnnie the early SL morning?

I'll try adding some British Slang aswell.. might make me stand out lol.

I try too treat everyone the same and even if they tip me just a simple 5L i always emote a thank you it's only polite.

Lol Siyu that's a good idea and i do prefer my boots too shoes lol.

lol masks might work aswell. Makes you mysterious.
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what do you mean by morning Johnnie the early SL morning?
Your local morning. The girl I knew was in France and she got up early and worked from 5 to 7 AM her time (8 to 10 PM SLT)
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mmm good idea i'll have too start going too bed dead early
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:32 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Oddly enough, long emotes actually got me more tips when I danced. Weird.
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:45 PM   #61 (permalink)
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When I ran the brothel I heard what you are asking,

As said before emote If you stand there like a block of wood people are are not going to be interested. Honesty I have seen the most drop dead gorgeous avatars come up empty handed because they could not communicate to the customers At the same time see the most plain jane avies haul it out in buckets. Learn to climb inside the customers head.

The other thing you said 3 days. It takes time to develop a following.
Also remember every customer has their tastes. Some like red heads other blonds and so forth.

If you are allowed to pick your clothing, Mix it up, nothing says I don't give a dam like wearing the same outfit every day.

Hang in there you will get it. It's not rocket science but you do have to think.

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If you are allowed to pick your clothing, Mix it up, nothing says I don't give a dam like wearing the same outfit every day.
If you wear the same thing every day, you might as well be wearing a titler that says "Hi! I'm a RL man!"
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:52 AM   #65 (permalink)
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I personally love the Redgrave skins. They're awesome. So don't worry about changing it just yet. Last week I discovered "Another Level" skins, and ended up switching over. I just love the makeup and understated body highlights.

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You want clubs that have LOTS of events. They're easy to find - check the events listings for a couple of days and see who's busy. The more customers around you, the more tips you'll make.

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Is that the pic you are going to use for your profile? It's going to get squashed Profile pics need to have an aspect ratio of 4:3. And if you plan on adding some picks pictures, their ratio needs to be 16:9

Best size for a profile pic is 400 x 300 pixels, because it's the correct ratio and its small so it till load faster... that pic above is 500 x 700 pixels so you're going to look shorter if you use it.

This page saves lives - it lists all the ratios for the various places one uses pictures...

ETA: that link Cindy added to your profile illustrates the problem - you've lost your lovely shape because it got squashed Re-arrange and crop your picture so it's 4:3 and if you need any help with that, send me a PM.


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Old 12-30-2008, 03:13 AM   #67 (permalink)
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As for a translator, the Babbler sucks pretty much. It spams a lot and is quite difficult to use. The x-lang was recommended to me recently and I found it fast, nowhere near as spammy and very easy to set up. You can get a free demo from SLX/Xstreet here. It's $500 to buy and if you have a multi-lingual clientele I expect this will be a worthwhile investment.
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Hi Roxie thanks for the comments and i completely see where your coming from. I really do try hard too talk with the others in the room whether it's a man or a woman i'll talk and flirt with either. That's just the way i am i guess lol but i did notice something while i was dancing last night i find it very easy too come up with a conversation when the person gives me something too talk about.

Maybe i was struggling because the really did not want me too talk, once i got over the basic questions and all they answered was the simple yes and no. I was kinda stumped what too ask next but i was talking too a guy last night and it worked much easier and much better

I've also changed clubs and joined one where a old friend of mine works. Stocking Tops and i did make a few tips last night and we had generally talked too each other as well as the customers. It was actually alot more fun lol.

I definently try and change my outfit daily or mix them up etc. I'd never wear the same outfit more than once in a week etc.

I'll check out Simbolic, thanks for the tip Menchor

lol nope definently a girl with my shopping habits *giggle*

Mabb, mmm the picture itself is 512*512 according too photoshop but i'll shrink it down a little too make it more noticable in world. Oh and thanks for the welcome

I'll have a look into the x-lang once i have a bit more cash handy lol.
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There are a lot of lonely and shy people in SL, so yeah, there are a lot of people who are willing to blow their lindens on virtual strippers. As one guy who used to spend a lot of money on me used to tell me, "Strippers are the only girls in SL who will talk to me". The guys who are willing to pay want attention and made to feel special- a bit hard to pull off in a welcome area or free sex room.

Also, a lot of guys visit strippers and escorts on alts to cheat on their partner when she's logged off. So girls who are getting paid are unlikely to kiss and tell.

HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!! You can create something called an alt and have nameless SL Sex with someone and she won't tell or bug/stalk you????

WHO KNEW?

How do you create one of these alt thingys ?

Actually, I agree with this strategy if you are in the market for strange and/or have an open SL (or no SL) relationship. Prevents things getting messy for the main. I just can't fathom the having to pay for it part. Although I guess if you factor in the outfits and shoes you have purchased so that someone you are with looks exactly the way you want, it's kind of like the SL version of the RL "everyone pays for it" theory. You know the one where they add up the cost of dates and dinner and basically say "you are paying for it too so why not just buy it and be done with it" articles.

Interesting viewpoints.

Oh and what is "shy?"

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Brave from the escort side of it i'm told by others that most are willing too pay for the companionship side or like Xiomara said too cheat on their partners. Though some and not many do come across too escorts because they realise that getting it free so too speak at a free place is rubbish and the escorts can turn them on make them hotter quicker. I believe one escort actually said too me that an escort is devoted too the entire needs of the client while a person getting it for free is just devoted too themselves etc.

Or so i was told anyway lol.
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Brave from the escort side of it i'm told by others that most are willing too pay for the companionship side or like Xiomara said too cheat on their partners. Though some and not many do come across too escorts because they realise that getting it free so too speak at a free place is rubbish and the escorts can turn them on make them hotter quicker. I believe one escort actually said too me that an escort is devoted too the entire needs of the client while a person getting it for free is just devoted too themselves etc.

Or so i was told anyway lol.

I know I'm just stirring the pot, adding humor, being impish, adorable, annoying etc

I can understand the "on demand" concept
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Mabb, mmm the picture itself is 512*512 according too photoshop but i'll shrink it down a little too make it more noticable in world. Oh and thanks for the welcome

I'll have a look into the x-lang once i have a bit more cash handy lol.
No, dont just resize it, that will have the same efffect. I'll send you a PM to explain what you need to do

Try the free translator that Menchor suggested, it sounds good
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